Look at what you are paying

[Ed W]

Socialism?

"You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."...Inigo Montoya, a great....Spaniard.

[TURobY]

There won't be need to privatize anything when ROBOTS RULE THE WORLD!

[shadows]

There won't be need to privatize anything when ROBOTS RULE THE WORLD!

Webster's Collegiate Dictionary--Socialism: A stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by  unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done.  

It seems that I should be on the TW opinion form as on this one most seem to receive their income from some form of city expenders believing they are indispensable and should be paid, not according to work done.  The opinion form moves very rapid but it give a good cross section of the citizens response to the actual conditions of the city.

Whether we want to realize it or not we are in a robot controlled world.  My granddaughter is here with her wireless laptop is in the second year at Phoenix university.  The robot controlled degree will be the same as if she attended classes except she is taught by a robot professor who retains the intelligence of hundred organic professors .  

The world's richest man could hack the robot systems that would bring disaster to the planet within moments.  The writers of Flash Gordon's rockets and Dick Tracy's wrist TV are now a reality.

There are only 100 pennies to the dollar.  How does one divide them up?  If property taxes are increased then it is counter productive as the increase reduces the value of the home as it becomes another liability on home ownership.  If the sales taxes are raised then that is a tax burden on the elderly and poor.

We are at the point where we must reduce the cost to government, city, state and federal as more that the 100 pennies have already been allotted.  The cry that "I am indispensable to the city' must fall on deft ears as we must move forward into a government that we can afford.

The choice is up to the taxpayer.  Stand up for a reform or watch the  population move into the suburbs taking with them the 100 pennies.    

   

[RecycleMichael]

me needs me one of them wrist TVs...where do they sell them?

[Ed W]

So if I understand this right, under socialism we'd all have social diseases?  This is SO confusing.

[waterboy]

I think Funk & Wagnalls is more accurate in description.

Socialism n.1. Public collective ownership or control of the basic means of production, distribution, and exchange, with the avowed aim of operating for use rather than for profit, and of assuring to each member of society an equitable share of goods, services, and welfare benefits.

The key is in who owns the means of production and in what %. We are not even close to this description. I think you practice amatuer demagoguery. I don't work for the feds, city, county or state either.

[nathanm]

I think Funk & Wagnalls is more accurate in description.

Socialism n.1. Public collective ownership or control of the basic means of production, distribution, and exchange, with the avowed aim of operating for use rather than for profit, and of assuring to each member of society an equitable share of goods, services, and welfare benefits.

The key is in who owns the means of production and in what %. We are not even close to this description. I think you practice amatuer demagoguery. I don't work for the feds, city, county or state either.

I think Funk & Wagnall's mixed up their definitions of Socialism and Communism. Not that we're anywhere near either, in this country.

[shadows]

me needs me one of them wrist TVs...where do they sell them?

Saw a woman with the advanced Dick Tracy wrist TV the other day.  It had a screen about 1&1/8 by 1&3/8th.. It projected the picture of the person who you were talking to, took still pictures, took moving pictures, could see favorite TV soap operate or just used as a telephone.   She didn't have the wrist straps but I am sure the are available on the internet.

The Mid-East is producing them but they are demanding something in exchange other than the no-value stimulus dollars we are running off in maxim production.

Now wait a minute.  If I told you how to purchase over the internet then you might not pay the use tax due on cost and use as a phone which would cause the city to start looking for a position's name for another $100,000 plus desk jockey to check on seeing if you  were paying the use tax due.  Seems they are strapped for money already.

In defining socialism I suppose the nation has been led falsely about Russia.  Seems since December of 1922 The Soviet Socialist Republic that was  pursued by Trotsky, to expedite socialism in the home land, was only a figment of our imagination as by fact, not definition, has not been a threat to our non existing democracy that Jefferson defined as would have been mob rule. 

In the great depression it took three years before the citizens had exhausted their savings and walked off from their houses because they could not pay the payments and taxes on them.

[waterboy]

I think Funk & Wagnall's mixed up their definitions of Socialism and Communism. Not that we're anywhere near either, in this country.

Hubris.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Geez... what a mess!  Apparently old enough to have lived through the depression, but didn't notice anything around him at the time.

Well, let's go with Shadow's definition of Socialism.  Apparently he thinks Socialism should be eliminated..?

Webster's Collegiate Dictionary--Socialism: A stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by  unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done. 

EXACTLY what we have today with the Big Banks and Big Oil.  The few who are distinguished by the salaries and bonuses totaling billions; those that have ridden on the backs of the majority of us taxpayers, receiving grotesquely disproportionate goods and pay according to disproportionately small work done.  With our bailouts.

Just like the Robber Baron era.  So according to Shadows definition, Big Banks and Big Oil are obviously Socialist and Communist and should be controlled, if not eliminated.  Perhaps just something as simple as reinstatement of Glass-Steagall.

[shadows]

EXACTLY what we have today with the Big Banks and Big Oil.  The few who are distinguished by the salaries and bonuses totaling billions; those that have ridden on the backs of the majority of us taxpayers, receiving grotesquely disproportionate goods and pay according to disproportionately small work done.  With our bailouts.

Just like the Robber Baron era.  So according to Shadows definition, Big Banks and Big Oil are obviously Socialist and Communist and should be controlled, if not eliminated.  Perhaps just something as simple as reinstatement of Glass-Steagall.

I was not able to  see the cause and length it took from the time of the crash in '29 that was a spinoff of the roaring '20.  This incident let depositors think that the deposited money would be safe available when needed was offset with the unscrupulous banking investment industry, which turned into a precarious in-secured  investment market of stocks, bond, loans and mortgages being the products of the roaring '20's.  This increased of the paper shuffling which reflected a near atmosphere of a blind fraud showed increased incomes allowing the increasing of unwarnted bonuses.  From the crash of '29 until the '32's I was some three years of a rollercoaster market before the runs on banks by the depositors become sever causing many bank to close their days forever with the depositors money.

Socialism is an effect of uncontrolled monetary practices where a society separates breaking off in two societies which include the taking over ownership of individual holding to administrate them by salaries and bonuses for a non-producing second society.  The individual becomes where he is no longer tbe owner of person property but it subject to "render into Caesar that which is Caesar's" as he owes "his soul to the County Store".   He is able to use his property as long as the contributions are made in taxes each years.  If he fails to submit this rendition them the property will be taken from him and sold to some one else.

The CSA established and amended in 1933 was installed by Roosevelt in an effort to eliminate the investment banking from borrowing funds from the commercial banks investing them which establish confidence again in investing banks.  After some 67 years this protection in part was repealed by Clinton which in the last decade has brought us face to face with that part of the monetary crisis we have created world wide today.  A greater part of the world is demanding that we stop printing the stimulus money and back up that shuffling of paper, floating in the air, that has no landing place.  

We have passed our place in time where we can let big corporations and conglomerates in tri-state banking control our world standing as a economy guideline as some 21 world leader met recently to discuss our economy.  

The replacement of the Gramm-Leach-Buley Act for the CSA was no more than a cop-out instituted by big banks to insure the continued raiding of the taxpayer to furnish the million dollar bonuses and salaries.  This country a thousand years before Cortex use strings with knots to show wealth.  Gold was used only for ornaments,  Today it is shown by salaries and perks given to by the societies socialism of government expenders.

So by the summer with the great dust storm beginning the poor were struggled for jobs,   The government increased socialism by creating jobs but the great depression had be began which was to last for a decade.

                      continued
   

[shadows]

By 1934 the full effects of this socialism's golden area was in its full force as an after of the 1918 war the banks started laying the foundation to include the heydays of the golden 20's. In doing this the lending of money produced an overabundance of food products.  Thus the great depression was built on the foundations of an over zealous money lending socialistic system who's purpose was to accumulated more wealth.

Even the made work available to the unemployed in the great depression was no more than the stimulus outlay being tried today that is only making available the outlay of a increase to the wealth of the wealthy.

The first signs of the ending of the great depression was when we, as a warring nation, sought to enter into the war of Europe in 1938.  Soon after
Roosevelt placed a lid on all of the price structure but perpetrators of socialism had no trouble getting around it.

Then as the men were drafted " Rosie the Riveter" disposed the kitchen apron to enter into the industrial fields once dominated by the male species.  Today she is not about to put the apron on again so she becomes a added threat to the employment causing the ominous cloud over recovery.  The indications that she would work cheaper has propelled her advancement.  The workforce today is almost double that of the year 2000 with the ever increasing unemployment.

The end of the Great Depression came under full  mobilization where under the powers of socialism was the sole purchasers of products.  One could not even buy a hammer unless he had a government permit to buy it.

We wanted to float the dollar thinking they would fear our mighty forces to would keep it afloat.  We have spread the un-backed paper to where it has lost much of its value.  We have bars if gold and silver that seems to being held to insure those pensions, perks, golden parachutes and bonuses of the socialist.  

The billions in the promise to pay legal tender is being return to the nation in purchasing stocks in the blue chip line of utilities which is the life line to our way of life and would be the last to go under.

The steel workers union was able to raise their waged to where the industry could not compete so they moved off shore to cheaper labor.  Now we are crying that the steel pipe produced is being subsidized by China and want a tariff,   When oil is $70 dollars a barrel and gasoline is $2,30 a gallon who is subsidizing the oil industry?

We have come a long way only to be standing on the rim of the cliff waiting for a shove.

Tulsa should wake up because the coffee is burning and there is tough times ahead as we could slip into another great depression.

[waterboy]

I don't doubt your conclusion that we may be on the edge of another depression, but how you got there is conjecture on your part.  In earlier posts, Roosevelt was your prime mover in bringing Socialism to America. In this latest post he is an obstacle to the socialists. You also seem to ignore the effect of increased techology used to increase yields of produce in the early part of the 20th century, without an understanding of good farming techniques or the managing of markets. That caused not only an overabundance of staple goods, which drove down prices and bankrupted farmers, but also ravaged the land increasing the negative effects of cyclical droughts. Major components of that depression. Your conclusion is that greedy bankers, unions and growing socialism were more at fault.

Respectfully, someone needs to say it, you're full of aged cow manure. Write a book if you feel your insights are so much better than historians of the era, but get yourself a good, sober editor.

[shadows]

The production of technology has very little effect on the lack of a work force when that which is develop is grab up and taken to foreign countries to increase their work force as we have increased our cost of labor to where it is no longer equitable to produce it here.  We are eating the seed needed to produce the fields of corn at present. Technology is a wonderful advancement to advance societies but it is a poor filler in making a sandwich

Our entire system today is production of a monetary system whereas we produce less each day but depend on the credit issued by the banks as our principal commodity for employment and world trade.  As you are aware the once sought after dollar is less desired than the euro in the East today.

I am sure the people are aware of the lines that formed to withdraw their deposits that were invested in a stocks of the golden 20's that was to be loaned to increase jobs whereas the money bankers who were distributing it knew it did not belong to them, thus it was of little value to them. After the repeal of the Roosevelt enacted  (GSA) which restricted the banking policies, being repealed by Clinton on pressure from the banking industry to self control of themselves, leading to the golden 2000, only for us to come face to face again with another monetary crisis.  We are faced again to either buy the banker  mistakes or see another crash like that of 1929 because of very reckless lending policies . 

Being well aware of improved farming from a family of farmers, in the sale of a brother-in-law estate, it contained 100 tractors with the highest price one bringing $85,000 dollars.  He plowed rows of corn 7 miles long. As was written "the tractor pulls the plow".

This time we are doling out the money to any foolish concepts presented on the pretense of creating more jobs.   But much of the so called stimulus money is diverted again to the promoter in absurd salaries and bonuses.

One could write and has written volumes of books on the subject but how would one write today that could only say "Those foolish ones are at it again".

   

[rwarn17588]

OK, shadows, time to step up or shut up ...

As president, what would you do that would improve the economy in a real way, get through the Congress, and still pass constitutional muster?

You seem to think a lot of policies suck; what policies would you implement wouldn't cause a huge disruption to the national and world economy?