Dewey/Terry - Lying or out of touch?

[T-town girl]

Oh Breadburner - you are my type of guy!! Julie Adelson is such a lovely women - thank-you for your compliment, it was very flattering. Now boys come on - you know I am right! Its time for Terry to go....

[fotd]

Yes it is....but you do have to appreciate how they are ignoring the council.

Would Tom have had it in him to turn them off?

[Rico]

Yes it is....but you do have to appreciate how they are ignoring the council.

Would Tom have had it in him to turn them off?

Tom would have never let matters reach this point.

His one costly mistake was "slinging mud". If he had taken the high road and not let that become the campaign we would not have this bunch of brazen crooks at City Hall.

Compliments to PJ for standing toe to toe with these pansies.

[Jason]

TCSD and TPD should be merged IMHO which would end a lot of jurisdictional and city/county bickering (re: DL MOSS imbroglio) as well as save some bucks.

It also makes sense (to me) to break our contract with EMSA and put EMR under the TFD with EMVs located in fire houses instead of roaming around/waiting for an emergency call at the local QT. Every utility bill has an emergency services charge of around $4 per month...that seems like a heck of a lot of money that TFD could use to provide a better comprehensive first responder service (instead of dispatching both TFD and EMSA like we do in most cases today).

But I could be wrong.

You are wrong. I am not trying to be rude but you should have the facts before recomending such a disasterous sentence for the citizens of tulsa.
TFD is not ready to run EMS in this city. They do not have enough trained personel, equipment or common sense. The equipment does not belong to the city as everyone seems to think. Some of the personel are trained but only a small amount have actual experience. I would be glad to go on.... but... i harp...

[OldTimeTulsan]

Yeah, our past mayor was decisive enough. The $7 M she "decided" to give to the wealthiest man in Oklahoma (from taxpayers, who didn't owe the money) was enough by itself to have avoided many of the unpopular choices that had to be made. Nobody seriously thinks Taylor could have been reelected, do they? Bartlett has inherited an incredible mess and a ridiculous council. So far he has far exceeded my expectations - look what he gets for it. No good deed goes unpunished!

[custosnox]

Yeah, our past mayor was decisive enough. The $7 M she "decided" to give to the wealthiest man in Oklahoma (from taxpayers, who didn't owe the money) was enough by itself to have avoided many of the unpopular choices that had to be made. Nobody seriously thinks Taylor could have been reelected, do they? Bartlett has inherited an incredible mess and a ridiculous council. So far he has far exceeded my expectations - look what he gets for it. No good deed goes unpunished!

I was never a fan of Taylor, but trying to lay so much of Dewey's mess at her feet is the equivilant of sticking your head in the sand.  Yes, she liked to play fast and loose with the money, but Dewey has been making a lot of decisions that are not in the best interest of Tulsa.  I call foul on trying to say that Dewey is just a victim of Taylor's administration.

[Conan71]

Yeah, our past mayor was decisive enough. The $7 M she "decided" to give to the wealthiest man in Oklahoma (from taxpayers, who didn't owe the money) was enough by itself to have avoided many of the unpopular choices that had to be made. Nobody seriously thinks Taylor could have been reelected, do they? Bartlett has inherited an incredible mess and a ridiculous council. So far he has far exceeded my expectations - look what he gets for it. No good deed goes unpunished!

Are you kidding?  Dewey isn't even running the city, his Chief Of Staff is.  Mayor Bartlet (sic) has been a total disappointment.  He got handed a total pile with the budget problems, but it's not a result of previous administrations.  It's primarily a result of a drop in revenues and no department being willing to streamline voluntarily.

You might also want to co-implicate the council in the $7mm given to the "richest man in Oklahoma".  It was actually given to BOK, but who wants to be technical.  No less than Councilor Eagleton (whose opinion I hold in high esteem) said it was a just settlement.

[sgrizzle]

Are you kidding?  Dewey isn't even running the city, his Chief Of Staff is.  Mayor Bartlet (sic) has been a total disappointment.  He got handed a total pile with the budget problems, but it's not a result of previous administrations.  It's primarily a result of a drop in revenues and no department being willing to streamline voluntarily.

You might also want to co-implicate the council in the $7mm given to the "richest man in Oklahoma".  It was actually given to BOK, but who wants to be technical.  No less than Councilor Eagleton (whose opinion I hold in high esteem) said it was a just settlement.

I'll blame the person who got the city involved by trying to back a private company's loan.

[Conan71]

I'll blame the person who got the city involved by trying to back a private company's loan.

Richard Studenny, aka: Dick Stupidity.  Has he been dis-barred yet?

[Gaspar]

Dick Stupidity.

Should be a dumb comic book


That's some log you're carrying there Jimmy.

[patric]

He got handed a total pile with the budget problems, but it's not a result of previous administrations.  It's primarily a result of a drop in revenues and no department being willing to streamline voluntarily.

Did no one even suggest the city sell the Armored Personnel Carrier?  We need a tank more than we need a helicopter?  Hell, renting it out for kids birthday parties would have made more sense...

[Conan71]

Did no one even suggest the city sell the Armored Personnel Carrier?  We need a tank more than we need a helicopter?  Hell, renting it out for kids birthday parties would have made more sense...

I see we are scrambling to put cops back on the job, but anyone else notice the homicide rate is actually lower than this time last year and there's not been a major outbreak in violent crime?  Something is telling me we might have had an over-staffing rather than under-staffing problem on the TPD.  They weren't giving a rip about property crime apparently.

[Gaspar]

Hell, renting it out for kids birthday parties would have made more sense...

My wife has a party rental company.  I wonder how much they'll take for it?

[sgrizzle]

My wife has a party rental company.  I wonder how much they'll take for it?

Woohoo, can i rent a party? Why have a party when you can rent one instead.

[OldTimeTulsan]

I think you will find a number of legal opinions in complete opposition to the esteemed Councilor Eagleton. Eagleton is probably the best on the council, but the taxpayers were simply not supposed to be on the hook for this crony deal. With every politico in the city involved, including the Lortons, the taxpayer was bound to get screwed, I guess. Come on now, read the history of that deal (that which has been uncovered). This was no fair settlement, this was a scam from the beginning.

The $7M alone would be a very significant amount of money in the current situation. Add to that the acquisition, remodeling, moving costs and lost rent revenue associated with the new city hall, and we simply would not be in this mess. I'll agree that decreased revenues are the last straw in this fiasco, but continuously expanding budgets with no regard for possible shortages caused this. We have now used up essentially every source of revenue the city is likely to find, and then some. The city govt is out of control.

I'll agree too, that the TPD is overstaffed and has been for years. Ditto the TFD. This is what happens with union happy govts.