How to Protect Yourself From Obamacare

[Gaspar]

Fabulous examples of collusive market practices.

Extract the consumer from the process of shopping, and remove the provider from the pressure of competition and this is what you get.

It only happens 100% of the time.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I had my tonsils out and the doctor wanted me to go to an out of network hospital for the surgery.  I didn't know this until I showed up.  Anyway, they told me that they wouldn't charge me for anything that my insurance didn't pay.  I explained that I had a high deductible plan.  Sadly the hospital hit last out of all the doctors.  But they basically ate about $2000 of my deductible.  Basically they get more money being out of network and eating the cost to me than being in the network.  It's crazy

An artifact from the previous system.  That's one of the reasons the previous system was broken.  And needed change.  And will need more change.

[Gaspar]

An artifact from the previous system.  That's one of the reasons the previous system was broken.  And needed change.  And will need more change.

Would be simple to fix, but no one wants to hear that broken record again. 

Of course we could always just turn it all over to the government, that always works.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Would be simple to fix, but no one wants to hear that broken record again.  

Of course we could always just turn it all over to the government, that always works.

Still waiting for that 'alternative plan' the Republicontins have been spewing about for the last few years.  Never have heard an actual set of words beyond "repeal".  That's why we have what we have - first, they abandoned their original plan - which was also Mitt's - which was agreed to by the Democrats - then abandoned by the Republicontins.  They have had decades to act, but didn't.  (See how they are so circular..?)

You got a better idea??  Let's hear some details - keep waiting to hear specifics and we never seem to get them - either here or on the national stage.  Gonna be tough to improve on coverage no longer denied due to pre-existing conditions.  Or letting the kids stay on until 26 so they can get out of college and step up to become full, productive members of society.  Or getting cancelled at the first claim....before any gets paid.  Or limits to coverage - one friend in particular is good with that one, since he just went over his $1 million lifetime with a couple of extended stints in the hospital - recovered nicely and since he is another engineer, he is outproducing the vast majority of top business people, who with the exception of REAL business people like Buffet and Gates, seem to be on the bandwagon against - except for themselves of course...they won't forgo any advanced coverage.

Yep, all those horrible things that have come about in recent years.  Actually, I can see why the RWRE is against it.  It actually helps people outside of their little circle of rich a-hole buddies...and we can't have that now, can we?  Nor does it advance the spending of wealth and kids on a contrived war.  Now it makes perfect sense.

[Gaspar]

Still waiting for that 'alternative plan' the Republicontins have been spewing about for the last few years.  Never have heard an actual set of words beyond "repeal".  That's why we have what we have - first, they abandoned their original plan - which was also Mitt's - which was agreed to by the Democrats - then abandoned by the Republicontins.  They have had decades to act, but didn't.  (See how they are so circular..?)

You got a better idea??  Let's hear some details - keep waiting to hear specifics and we never seem to get them - either here or on the national stage.  Gonna be tough to improve on coverage no longer denied due to pre-existing conditions.  Or letting the kids stay on until 26 so they can get out of college and step up to become full, productive members of society.  Or getting cancelled at the first claim....before any gets paid.  Or limits to coverage - one friend in particular is good with that one, since he just went over his $1 million lifetime with a couple of extended stints in the hospital - recovered nicely and since he is another engineer, he is outproducing the vast majority of top business people, who with the exception of REAL business people like Buffet and Gates, seem to be on the bandwagon against - except for themselves of course...they won't forgo any advanced coverage.

Yep, all those horrible things that have come about in recent years.  Actually, I can see why the RWRE is against it.  It actually helps people outside of their little circle of rich a-hole buddies...and we can't have that now, can we?  Nor does it advance the spending of wealth and kids on a contrived war.  Now it makes perfect sense.

You shouldn't have to wait.  That's sad. If you were only to veer away from MSNBC and KOS, you might have heard about  several.

Like H.R. 3400 Empowering Patients First Act http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3400ih/pdf/BILLS-111hr3400ih.pdf
OR
H.R. 3121, The American Health Care Reform Act. http://beta.congress.gov/113/bills/hr3121/BILLS-113hr3121ih.pdf

They keep passing the house.

[Townsend]

They keep passing the house.

Lots of cra cra does

[guido911]

This is just heart-breaking...

A national union that represents 300,000 low-wage hospitality workers charges in a new report that Obamacare will slam wages, cut hours, limit access to health insurance and worsen the very "income equality" President Obama says he is campaigning to fix.

Unite Here warned that due to Obamacare's much higher costs for health insurance than what union workers currently pay, the result will be a pay cut of up to $5 an hour. "If employers follow the incentives in the law, they will push families onto the exchanges to buy coverage. This will force low-wage service industry employees to spend $2.00, $3.00 or even $5.00 an hour of their pay to buy similar coverage," said the union in a new report.

"Only in Washington could asking the bottom of the middle class to finance health care for the poorest families be seen as reducing inequality," said the report from Unite Here. "Without smart fixes, the ACA threatens the middle class with higher premiums, loss of hours, and a shift to part-time work and less comprehensive coverage," said the report, titled, "The Irony of Obamacare: Making Inequality Worse."

http://washingtonexaminer.com/big-labor-obamacare-death-spiral-to-worker-pay-insurance-coverage/article/2545310

[heironymouspasparagus]

You shouldn't have to wait.  That's sad. If you were only to veer away from MSNBC and KOS, you might have heard about  several.

Like H.R. 3400 Empowering Patients First Act http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111hr3400ih/pdf/BILLS-111hr3400ih.pdf
OR
H.R. 3121, The American Health Care Reform Act. http://beta.congress.gov/113/bills/hr3121/BILLS-113hr3121ih.pdf

They keep passing the house.

Yep....just like I said....nothing past repeal, except for the attempts to get rid of abortion - a totally different discussion, but one that has to muddy the water at every opportunity.

Nothing to actually solve the systemic issues that made the Affordable Care Act at least a start.  Regardless of whatever other faults it may (or may not) have, the things I talked about are huge!  And a good start!

It will likely be a similar landmark event to Social Security!  And I know how badly you want to gut that program, too, but the FACT - something that completely eludes Fox and Friends - is that Social Security has been a remarkable success and has helped massive numbers of people.  Not just the exclusionary elitists who have benefited so greatly from the hijacking of America that has happened over the last 30 years or so.  You know the ones - they are the ones who decry the "transfer of wealth" in this country - while accepting that transfer to themselves to the tune of trillions of dollars....

[Gaspar]

http://www.funnyordie.com/

So this is now the place to advertise Obamacare.  No one really thought that through did they?  The president really has some bad advisors.  As of today only 4.2 million have chosen a plan through the exchange.  Only about 1 million are the young people they need to pay for everyone else, and they have collected no numbers on actual paid enrollments, or the number of uninsured (their original target) that have signed up.

[Hoss]

http://www.funnyordie.com/

So this is now the place to advertise Obamacare.  No one really thought that through did they?  The president really has some bad advisors.  As of today only 4.2 million have chosen a plan through the exchange.  Only about 1 million are the young people they need to pay for everyone else, and they have collected no numbers on actual paid enrollments, or the number of uninsured (their original target) that have signed up.

Haha...your ODS is showing..oh wait, I guess it has never really stopped.

Only people I've seen who hated it are the same usual suspects...the crazies on the right who hate the fact this president appeals to younger voters.

Can you imagine if Mitt Romney had tried that?  John McCain?  Dubya?

Don't know why I even post responses to your posts.  Maybe to break them up so it doesn't appear that you are replying to yourself...

[guido911]

I saw that earlier today. It was kinda funny, but in parts damned awkward/painful. Obama has a great sense of humor on the fly.  Edited to add this link to someone that found the video to sorta suck.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/03/11/obama-in-strangely-humorless-funny-or-die-video-to-promote-healthcare

[Conan71]

I saw that earlier today. It was kinda funny, but in parts damned awkward/painful. Obama has a great sense of humor on the fly.  Edited to add this link to someone that found the video to sorta suck.

http://www.showbiz411.com/2014/03/11/obama-in-strangely-humorless-funny-or-die-video-to-promote-healthcare

Looked like Max Headroom. Are we sure he's not a CGI character?

[Gaspar]

Today's timeline:
1. Media glee as they see Obama's Funny or Die for the 1st time.
2. Repeat around lunch.
3. Russia invades something.

[Townsend]

What ACA Means to Rural Oklahoma

http://kwgs.com/post/what-aca-means-rural-oklahoma

The nation's top farmer says the Affordable Care Act will mean stability in the nation's breadbasket, when it comes to health care.

In an interview with KWGS' Matt Trotter, U.S. Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack discussed why the ACA is good for rural Oklahoma.

[Gaspar]

What ACA Means to Rural Oklahoma

http://kwgs.com/post/what-aca-means-rural-oklahoma

Only 14,999 Oklahoman's have gotten to the point of "choosing an Obamacare plan."  There are no numbers for the actual fraction of who have been enrolled, because they are "not tracking that data" for some odd reason (**CAUGHS "Bullshit"**).

So Obama minion Tom Vilsack, who campaigned for president Obama (after his own anemic run for president). A man who's went from being governor to co-chair of the DNC, to becoming a lobbyist, to being appointed as secretary of agriculture by President Obama (who doesn't hire lobbyists) says that Obamacare is super awesome!

Got it.