How to Protect Yourself From Obamacare

[Conan71]

She's not been looking at the news a lot lately then.  Indiana, Tennessee....hell, even Wyoming are considering allowing the expansion.  All fairly red states (especially Wyoming and Tennessee).

But oh well, lets not do the will of the people as they say.

Here's the problem for Oklahoma right now: Hospitals are losing quite a bit of money on reimbursements.  You will hear of smaller facilities closing in the coming months and years.

[Townsend]

Here's the problem for Oklahoma right now: Hospitals are losing quite a bit of money on reimbursements.  You will hear of smaller facilities closing in the coming months and years.

And this is because of whom?

[Conan71]

And this is because of whom?

Failure to accept the Medicaid expansion which was required under ACA.

Not near enough time to delve back into that shitsandwich today.

[Townsend]

Failure to accept the Medicaid expansion which was required under ACA.

Not near enough time to delve back into that shitsandwich today.

Oh c'mon...a quick review.

[Hoss]

Failure to accept the Medicaid expansion which was required under ACA.

Not near enough time to delve back into that shitsandwich today.

So in simpler speak, you're saying it's the Governor's fault for not accepting the expansion...

[Conan71]

So in simpler speak, you're saying it's the Governor's fault for not accepting the expansion...

In the immediate sense, yes.  She did what she thought was right at the time (I'm NOT a Fallin defender in any way shape or form) which was looking at the long picture when Oklahoma would foot the larger share of Medicaid payments. 

It's attractive in the short term, but it's like taking out a loan for a $70,000 Lexus when you are a medical student with a $15,000 a year income from student loans because you think you can make the payments in five years when you graduate because the economic picture will be far better.  Will it?  You hope anyhow.

None of this would have happened without the ACA. It simply put more on the backs of states in order to make the ACA appear more revenue or deficit neutral.  They can pay for it now or pay for it later.  Either the pain is felt in medical facilities who treat the poor now, or there is a crisis in 5-7 years for states to figure out how to fund it when the feds pull the rug out.  The states who have gone ahead and joined in are hoping the predictions of "thousands of jobs will be created by Medicaid expansion", but that remains to be seen and there are many gratuitous claims as to how this mechanism works in every state which accepts the expansion.  I still have not seen one article which clearly maps out how this is an economic boon for any state which opted in. 

I don't recall there being such a calamity awaiting Medicaid users prior to the passage of the ACA.

I'll search harder next week.  Really I will.

[guido911]

Judge White rules in favor of Oklahoma's claim as to ACA subsidies/penalties.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/health/federal-judge-rules-in-state-s-favor-in-aca-challenge/article_bfa615f2-6394-5e5e-a0fa-5edf07f28ee5.html

More smileburger....

[heironymouspasparagus]

Judge White rules in favor of Oklahoma's claim as to ACA subsidies/penalties.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/news/health/federal-judge-rules-in-state-s-favor-in-aca-challenge/article_bfa615f2-6394-5e5e-a0fa-5edf07f28ee5.html

More smileburger....

Bet it won't stand.

[guido911]

Bet it won't stand.

What about his opinion do you find objectionable?

[Townsend]

What about his opinion do you find objectionable?

Well now Guido, he never said he objected to it.  He just said "Bet it won't stand."

[guido911]

Well now Guido, he never said he objected to it.  He just said "Bet it won't stand."

He can answer for himself. He's a big boy. And if it makes you feel better, I'll rephrase: Why will it not stand?

I think I am record for wanting this thing to get going, so I really do not have an interest in these legal stratagems any further. With that proviso, if you read the opinion, my first thought was Horton Hears a Who. The statute says what it means, and means what is says.

[Townsend]

He can answer for himself. He's a big boy.

Thank you for the update.

[Townsend]

Officials say Oklahoma Medicaid needs $164 Million

http://publicradiotulsa.org/post/officials-say-oklahoma-medicaid-needs-164-million

OKLAHOMA CITY (AP) — The Oklahoma Health Care Authority says it needs at least $164 million in extra state funds to keep up the state's Medicaid program.

Leaders of the state's Medicaid agency say it needs the money to replace lost federal funding and address a 4 percent expected growth in the program. There's a $61 million hole because it received one-time carryover money from the state Legislature.

The organization plans to request $275 million in additional state dollars for the next fiscal year. The Oklahoman reports  it already receives $953 million in base funding. The agency hopes to increase the rate it pays to physicians and other medical professionals.

[heironymouspasparagus]

What about his opinion do you find objectionable?

Just a gut feel.  And the fact the district court is reviewing what they did in another similar case....Halbig....


In a similar vein - Maurice Greenberg thinks it was extortion to force his company (AIG) to take $184 billion dollars during the bailout!   Ahh....what a disgusting maggot!  The very DAY his company cashed the check, the entire stock of the company was admittedly down 58% that day....to $5 a share or $15 billion dollars!  So, he only got over 1000% MORE than it was worth!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/jon-stewart-aig_n_5963714.html

[Conan71]

Just a gut feel.  And the fact the district court is reviewing what they did in another similar case....Halbig....


In a similar vein - Maurice Greenberg thinks it was extortion to force his company (AIG) to take $184 billion dollars during the bailout!   Ahh....what a disgusting maggot!  The very DAY his company cashed the check, the entire stock of the company was admittedly down 58% that day....to $5 a share or $15 billion dollars!  So, he only got over 1000% MORE than it was worth!!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/10/jon-stewart-aig_n_5963714.html

I'm sorry, what exactly does Jon Stewart riffing on Hank Greenberg have to do with the ruling on the ACA?  Other than NOTHING at all?