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Started by fotd, April 12, 2010, 05:36:04 PM

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Conan71

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

Quote from: Conan71 on April 15, 2010, 08:52:19 AM
That dude rolls a tight joint

That's the difference between right-wing and left-wing wackos. . . joint tension.

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

we vs us

Quote from: Gaspar on April 15, 2010, 09:07:53 AM
That's the difference between right-wing and left-wing wackos. . . joint tension.



Plus the relative level of the threat of violence. 

Left wing protesters have limited themselves to vandalism for something like the last 40 years.  The right wing guys, however, really seem to like to get their death-threat on. They also seem to like to plan for ways to bring down the apocalypse with super complex bombing threats (cf. Hutarees!), or to attack -- with varying degrees of success -- federal office buildings.


Conan71

Quote from: we vs us on April 15, 2010, 09:18:54 AM
Plus the relative level of the threat of violence. 

Left wing protesters have limited themselves to vandalism for something like the last 40 years.  The right wing guys, however, really seem to like to get their death-threat on. They also seem to like to plan for ways to bring down the apocalypse with super complex bombing threats (cf. Hutarees!), or to attack -- with varying degrees of success -- federal office buildings.



Yeah, because everyone knows bombing the NYPD and the Pentagon bombings, fire bombing a judges house, and declaring war on the US Government by the leftist Weathermen were just pranks and simple vandalism.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

Quote from: Conan71 on April 15, 2010, 09:58:05 AM
Yeah, because everyone knows bombing the NYPD and the Pentagon bombings, fire bombing a judges house, and declaring war on the US Government by the leftist Weathermen were just pranks and simple vandalism.



Haven't seen any Tea Party violence.  I'm interested as to what that will look like.  I hope that the various security organizations are searching those fanny packs and sport coats before each rally.  Who knows how much C4 you can smuggle in a Mont Blanc.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

guido911

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Quote from: Conan71 on April 15, 2010, 09:58:05 AM
Yeah, because everyone knows bombing the NYPD and the Pentagon bombings, fire bombing a judges house, and declaring war on the US Government by the leftist Weathermen were just pranks and simple vandalism.



I thought they also killed a cop in San Francisco in one of their harmless, non-getting "their death threat on" bombings. Countdown until we hear: "Well yeah, but the right wingers are worse and the Weathermen are just one example" 3...2...1
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Townsend

The Weathermen from the 60's?


Conan71

Quote from: Townsend on April 15, 2010, 10:59:21 AM
The Weathermen from the 60's?



No, these guys and gals.  Though to be totally PC they are "meteorologists" these days:

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Hoss

Quote from: Conan71 on April 15, 2010, 11:12:38 AM
No, these guys and gals.  Though to be totally PC they are "meteorologists" these days:



I actually prefer just one:


Conan71

Quote from: Conan71 on April 15, 2010, 11:12:38 AM
No, these guys and gals.  Though to be totally PC they are "meteorologists" these days:



Wait....

Is it just me, or is the female meteorologist toward the top right wearing a rather sheer top?
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

Quote from: Conan71 on April 15, 2010, 11:20:14 AM
Wait....

Is it just me, or is the female meteorologist toward the top right wearing a rather sheer top?

That's how you know if it's going to be cold.  :-X
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on April 15, 2010, 10:18:11 AM
I thought they also killed a cop in San Francisco in one of their harmless, non-getting "their death threat on" bombings. Countdown until we hear: "Well yeah, but the right wingers are worse and the Weathermen are just one example" 3...2...1
Tell you what, you get over the 60s, and we'll get over Reagan, k?
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

fotd

Love it Nate!
It's the culture war....

Here:http://theragblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/culture-wars-take-our-country-back.html

Latest culture war in America:
Nationalism in dangerous form
Many fear that they have lost the country that was bequeathed to them -- and to them alone -- like an old pocket watch from their grandfather.

By Leonard Zeskind / The Rag Blog / April 12, 2010

At first glance it seems inexplicable: Confederate battle flags waving in Washington state and Washington, D.C., when the issue is health care.

Placards that read, "America is a Christian Nation," appearing in marches when the stated concern is the federal deficit.

Barack Obama labeled a "Lying African," when presidents from Democrat Woodrow Wilson to Republican George H.W. Bush have raised taxes without being dubbed aliens.

Where does the anger come from to call congressmen hateful names?

The answer resides inside the tea party anthem -- oft-repeated since the protests on Capitol Hill last September -- "Take Our Country Back." Many fear that they have lost the country that was bequeathed to them -- and to them alone -- like an old pocket watch from their grandfather.

Theirs is a patriotism in which the common good devolves down to the individual privileges of property and wealth. It is a nationalism in which race is implicit, rather than explicit.

The crowds singing "Take It Back" might be all white, but when a black or brown face shows up it is welcomed as a sign of the "non-racial" character of their all-white cause.

From this medium of contradictory beliefs about "real Americans" and inglorious fears of "dispossession" has sprung a movement that is still developing and has not yet reached its final form.

Certainly, there are coldly dispassionate ideologues in this mix:
The conservative Republican operatives who train these new activists to become the foot soldiers for the party's election campaigns.
The Ayn Rand libertarians who conflate Keynes with Marx, and a capitalist welfare state with socialism.
The old-line segregationists who regard every piece of federal civil rights law as an abrogation of states' rights.
The hard core white nationalists who join the tea party movement hoping to convert its implicit whiteness into an explicit and coherent racism.
By themselves, these highly defined political strands are not strong enough to challenge the status quo. Intertwined with each other and with the chaotic mix of passions described above, however, the tea party movement has proven more powerful than expected.

It has transformed the political discourse and has systematically defied common-sense explanations.

While the tea parties have emerged during a period of economic distress, and unemployed job seekers are certainly in their midst, polling data tells us for the most part these people are not suffering financially themselves. According to a CNN survey in February, a full 66 percent of "tea party activists" said they made more than $50,000 a year.

Neither is this some form of populism, similar to the revolt by 19th century farmers. In this instance, the opposition to political and economic elites is predicated on the supposition that those at the "top" are using their power to serve those at the bottom, at the expense of those in the middle.

This is a form of Middle American nationalism more akin to that expressed by Gov. George Wallace's 1968 presidential campaign than to the rarified blue-blood conservatism of William Buckley.

In the end, tea partiers are not engaged in a civil discussion with fellow Americans about public policy. Rather they are fighting a culture war against people they regard as enemies. The questions are whose America is the "real" America, and whether our society will remain open and democratic.

That is a decision all of us must make.

[Leonard Zeskind, author of Blood and Politics: The History of the White Nationalist Movement from the Margins to the Mainstream, is president of the Institute for Research and Education on Human Rights. Zeskind blogs at www.leonardzeskind.com/. This article was also published by the Kansas City Star.]

Gaspar

"Oh the places FOTD goes"


When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

we vs us

Quote from: Conan71 on April 15, 2010, 09:58:05 AM
Yeah, because everyone knows bombing the NYPD and the Pentagon bombings, fire bombing a judges house, and declaring war on the US Government by the leftist Weathermen were just pranks and simple vandalism.



Right.  Like I said.  40 years ago.