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[fotd]

I keep forgetting about that.  I guess it's fair trade for Dims not supporting the civil rights of unborn homosexuals and heterosexuals.

POMPOUS CONANUS, your posts are getting too,.....shall we say, religulous?

[patric]

Not that I was around to see it, but interestingly, just after the Civil War, during Reconstruction, the former slaves were a lot better off than they were by 1880-1890. White people hadn't yet thought up poll taxes, literacy tests, and other bunkum designed to keep black people away from the polls, so there were a lot more black people in elected government, thus significantly better conditions.

Not so much elected, but "installed" under Reconstruction to rub the south's nose in their defeat. 
Lincoln's intent was to be forgiving and get the country back to normal but that enraged the military leaders that were intent on retribution.
They got their way under the corruption and ineptitude of Grant.

[Cats Cats Cats]

 I love me some Tea Party people.  Somebody a picture of a Reagan pin on facebook.  I asked how you could be for the tea party and support Reagan given that he increased the US Debt 300%.  They told me that the Tea Party only cares about paying less tax and not about spending.  How he was against socialism.  Fortunately they didn't like me telling them to check out the earned income tax credit expansion in 1986 so they unfriended me.  

[nathanm]

Not so much elected, but "installed" under Reconstruction to rub the south's nose in their defeat. 

While it is true Lincoln never intended for Reconstruction to happen in the way it did, the blacks that were elected to government posts weren't installed, they were duly elected. Whether that was due to white Southerners boycotting the elections during Reconstruction, I can't say.

[nathanm]

I keep forgetting about that.  I guess it's fair trade for Dims not supporting the civil rights of unborn homosexuals and heterosexuals.

Well, you gotta draw the line somewhere, and "at conception" makes no sense biologically, since over 80% of early pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortion in the first few months (if the zygote implants at all). Whatcha gonna do?

[Hoss]

Well, you gotta draw the line somewhere, and "at conception" makes no sense biologically, since over 80% of early pregnancies end in a spontaneous abortion in the first few months (if the zygote implants at all). Whatcha gonna do?

While I'm against abortion as a principle, I'm for the woman's right to choose.

I should rephrase.  My personal opinion is against abortion, but since I'm not a woman, it's not my call.  The woman has to make that ultimate choice.

So Conan, it's not the Dems keeping the civil rights from unborn children, it's them giving the right to the women to make that choice.

We shouldn't legislate the human body, regardless of what your moral or religious views are.  The woman has to live with the decision.  Doctors aren't being forced to perform these procedures unless it's to preserve the life of the mother.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Republican's in general don't want to pay for other peoples kids (as they shouldn't).  But then they don't want people to have the option of not having a child they can't pay for .  So basically, they want children to live in poverty because their parents (probably) suck.  Whats the answer?  You could take the kids away based on income level of the parents and re appropriate them to families with higher income.  Then that would reduce the increased welfare that is under the current system.

What do we do with the aftermath if abortions are banned? 

[Townsend]

What do we do with the aftermath if abortions are banned? 

vasectomy coupons.  That'll work great.

[nathanm]

So Conan, it's not the Dems keeping the civil rights from unborn children, it's them giving protecting the right to of the women to make that choice.

Fixed that for you.

A person has an inherent right to control their own body, in my estimation. When there is some method of removing an unborn zygote/fetus/whatever from a woman with no detrimental health effects and keeping it alive for the rest of its gestation period, my opinion will probably change. Until that time I'm no more interested in forcing a woman to undergo a dangerous pregnancy (and all of them are!) than I am in forcing any person to have any medical procedure they consider too high a risk.

Edited to add: Can I make an impassioned plea to discussion board software developers to please utilize, or at least recognize the long established HTML names for text decoration like strikethrough?

[Conan71]

Just so long as you guys are able to spin it to your own satisfaction with the civil rights of the unborn, I'm good with that if it helps you sleep better. Amazing that libs can be more concerned about proper habitat for things like bird & fish eggs to thrive than human zygotes.  Then there's the whole backlash against Christians coming out of the liberal movement...

Let's face it no one is totally in tune with civil rights for all people across the board. You simply can't make generic statements that either party is more for or against "civil rights".

And FWIW if homosexuals want to experience the misery of marriage- have at it.   

[RecycleMichael]

And FWIW if homosexuals want to experience the misery of marriage- have at it.   

gay marriage? Haven't they suffered enough?

[Red Arrow]

If homosexuals only marry homosexuals, would that be genocide?

[rwarn17588]

Then there's the whole backlash against Christians coming out of the liberal movement...

Please elaborate. I'm not following.

[fotd]

Sheeesh Conatholic, just because you were over indoctrinated doesn't mean the rest the country has to believe in that batsh!t nonsense.  Learn to live with the fact that a fetus can't make choices and therefore has no civil rights.

[Cats Cats Cats]