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Started by fotd, April 12, 2010, 05:36:04 PM

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rwarn17588

Quote from: we vs us on April 16, 2010, 03:27:46 PM
Right.  Like I said.  40 years ago.

Or a full generation ago ... back when Republicans supported civil-rights legislation more than Democrats.

Needless to say, things have changed since then.

Conan71

Quote from: we vs us on April 16, 2010, 03:27:46 PM
Right.  Like I said.  40 years ago.

That sure makes me feel better.  OKC was 15 years ago, what's your point? 

The guy who flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin was an anti-government nutbag.  There's nothing to suggest he was a far right wing idealogist and I've never read what his voter registration was.  From what I've read, his manifesto he left behind was rather anti-conservative other than his whole hatred of the IRS.  It was more a rampage killing like one of the school yard shootings.

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Conan71

Quote from: rwarn17588 on April 16, 2010, 04:13:22 PM
Or a full generation ago ... back when Republicans supported civil-rights legislation more than Democrats.

Needless to say, things have changed since then.

What CRL's do Republicans oppose these days?
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

fotd

Quote from: Conan71 on April 16, 2010, 04:35:44 PM
That sure makes me feel better.  OKC was 15 years ago, what's your point? 

The guy who flew his plane into the IRS building in Austin was an anti-government nutbag.  There's nothing to suggest he was a far right wing idealogist and I've never read what his voter registration was.  From what I've read, his manifesto he left behind was rather anti-conservative other than his whole hatred of the IRS.  It was more a rampage killing like one of the school yard shootings.



There's plenty to suggest he was a far right wing ideologist. I think you are wrong, PC.

Red Arrow

Quote from: we vs us on April 16, 2010, 03:27:46 PM
Right.  Like I said.  40 years ago.

Bad Logic.

Viet Nam, advisors in the 50s, big time involvement from the mid 60s.  Long time ago.

Watergate, 38 yrs ago

Tulsa Race Riots, over 80 yrs ago

The biggie, slavery, over 140 yrs ago.
 

we vs us

Quote from: Red Arrow on April 16, 2010, 08:21:47 PM
Bad Logic.

Viet Nam, advisors in the 50s, big time involvement from the mid 60s.  Long time ago.

Watergate, 38 yrs ago

Tulsa Race Riots, over 80 yrs ago

The biggie, slavery, over 140 yrs ago.

And . . . so . . . what? I'm not sure what that list is supposed to tell me.

The left was violent 40 years ago.  Since the Weathermen went away, there's been virtually no domestic anything from the left -- aside from vandalism perpetrated by PETA and eco-radicals -- to indicate that the threat continues. 

The radical right is a whole different ball of wax.  It's like they just time-warped in from 1996.  It's creepy. 

we vs us

Quote from: Conan71 on April 16, 2010, 04:36:11 PM
What CRL's do Republicans oppose these days?

Pretty much the entire raft of gay rights initiatives, for starters.

rwarn17588

Quote from: Red Arrow on April 16, 2010, 08:21:47 PM
Bad Logic.

Viet Nam, advisors in the 50s, big time involvement from the mid 60s.  Long time ago.

Watergate, 38 yrs ago

Tulsa Race Riots, over 80 yrs ago

The biggie, slavery, over 140 yrs ago.

I'm not sure what your point is, other than times and people change, which I've already reiterated.

rwarn17588

Quote from: we vs us on April 16, 2010, 08:48:08 PM
Pretty much the entire raft of gay rights initiatives, for starters.

Yep. +1

JeffM

Quote from: nathanm on April 15, 2010, 01:11:16 PM
Tell you what, you get over the 60s, and we'll get over Reagan, k?

LOL.  Post of the week.   :D
Bring back the Tulsa Roughnecks!.... JeffM is now TulsaRufnex....  http://www.tulsaroughnecks.com

Red Arrow

I thought you were saying time erases bad deeds.  I neglected to realize that time only erases bad deeds from one perspective.
 

we vs us

Quote from: Red Arrow on April 16, 2010, 10:41:49 PM
I thought you were saying time erases bad deeds.  I neglected to realize that time only erases bad deeds from one perspective.

I'm not excusing anything.  I'm talking about whether those past bad deeds amount to current threats.  It's pretty obvious that for the American left, the answer is no.

nathanm

Quote from: Red Arrow on April 16, 2010, 08:21:47 PM
The biggie, slavery, over 140 yrs ago.
Not that I was around to see it, but interestingly, just after the Civil War, during Reconstruction, the former slaves were a lot better off than they were by 1880-1890. White people hadn't yet thought up poll taxes, literacy tests, and other bunkum designed to keep black people away from the polls, so there were a lot more black people in elected government, thus significantly better conditions. People just hadn't gotten as virulently racist outside the context of slavery, yet.

Most history texts gloss over the backsliding there.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

rwarn17588

Quote from: nathanm on April 17, 2010, 08:25:05 AM
Not that I was around to see it, but interestingly, just after the Civil War, during Reconstruction, the former slaves were a lot better off than they were by 1880-1890. White people hadn't yet thought up poll taxes, literacy tests, and other bunkum designed to keep black people away from the polls, so there were a lot more black people in elected government, thus significantly better conditions. People just hadn't gotten as virulently racist outside the context of slavery, yet.

Most history texts gloss over the backsliding there.

Yes. I read the book "Sundown Towns," and black civil rights took huge steps backwards after about 1890 or so and ushered in two generations of Jim Crow laws. No one is quite sure why the Republicans in Congress just up and quit being advocates for black civil rights about 1890, but it happened. Once that occurred, the Jim Crow South arose and did pretty much whatever it wanted.

And there were literally hundreds of towns across the Midwest where black people were not allowed to remain after sundown. These whites-only towns persisted well into the 1970s and even the '80s.

Conan71

Quote from: we vs us on April 16, 2010, 08:48:08 PM
Pretty much the entire raft of gay rights initiatives, for starters.

I keep forgetting about that.  I guess it's fair trade for Dims not supporting the civil rights of unborn homosexuals and heterosexuals.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan