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Is this guy for real?

Started by Hoss, May 21, 2010, 12:02:41 PM

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Hoss

I wonder what daddy-Ron thinks of his son...

http://blogs.chicagotribune.com/news_columnists_ezorn/2010/05/paul.html

I'm surprised no one else has mentioned this.  Even many Republicans are distancing themselves from this guy.

Conan71

Probably because it's disjointed op-ed on a typical disjointed Rachel Maddog interview.  She's a bigger crank than Rand's old man.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Hoss

Quote from: Conan71 on May 21, 2010, 12:19:53 PM
Probably because it's disjointed op-ed on a typical disjointed Rachel Maddog interview.  She's a bigger crank than Rand's old man.

That may be the case, but have you also seen where he calls the pressure that the WH is putting on BP for the clean-up "Un-American"?

Seriously?

Rico

Palin and Paul!

that's the Ticket...

guido911

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

we vs us

I feel bad for Rand Paul, actually.  There's a little trial-by-fire action going on here, and from what I can glean his stance on civil rights -- morally they are desirable but not of high enough desirability to warrant a law restricting interstate commerce to achieve them -- his stance is pretty consistent with libertarianism at large. 

So he's keeping true to his ideals, which is laudable if you're a politician, but maybe not so laudable if those views are, well, let's say out of the mainstream of American political thought.   

Cats Cats Cats

#6
He is saying that the US Government doesn't have the right to determine who you sell what to.  Which they don't (constitutionally anyway).  And that market forces should/weed out businesses that were discriminatory.  However, obviously when the law was passed it wouldn't have happened as quickly otherwise.

waterboy

THat's naive. It wouldn't have happened at all in many states.

we vs us

Quote from: Trogdor on May 21, 2010, 01:45:58 PM
He is saying that the US Government doesn't have the right to determine who you sell what to.  Which they don't.  And that market forces should/weed out businesses that were discriminatory.  However, obviously when the law was passed it wouldn't have happened as quickly otherwise.

Yes, which is kind of interesting.  I didn't know modern American libertarianism was primarily economic in nature -- "don't tell me what I can sell or what I can buy."  I thought it was more about Thoreau and his fellow Transcendentalists getting back to nature and writing poetry all day.

I have the feeling that at some point in the last couple of decades, free-market fundamentalism and libertarianism intersected to produce the Ron Paul/Tea Party continuum of Don't Tread On Me.

Conan71

Quote from: we vs us on May 21, 2010, 03:05:32 PM

I thought it was more about Thoreau and his fellow Transcendentalists getting back to nature and writing poetry all day.


That's what I do.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Ed W

I listened to the interview with Rand Paul and Rachel Maddow earlier today.  It's available via iTunes.  The whole 20 minutes revolved around the Civil Rights Act of 1964.  Paul believes that the sections pertaining to federal hiring require that it be done without regard to race or ethnicity, but private companies and private property owners should not be held to the same standard.  He tried hard to evade a straightforward answer on this, but it became clear that he believes on private property, the owner should have the right to refuse service to whoever he chooses.  In effect, he thinks that a segregated lunch counter is OK. 

The Maddow show wasn't his only appearance.  He gave a similar interview to NPR, though I didn't hear that one.  And he sent two letters to the editor of a local newspaper speaking out against the fair housing laws.  That was in 2001, if I recall right, so he's held these views for some time.  He's consistent if nothing else.

Yesterday he started to pull back from this position, apparently realizing it's not a good one for a candidate to take prior to election day. 

Also, there's a fair bit of irony in learning that this erstwhile Tea Party candidate and eye surgeon receives Medicare payments for about 50% of his practice.
Ed

May you live in interesting times.

Conan71

I'm far more concerned about why Rand Paul's Constitutional views are more note-worthy than those of Elena Kagan who is up for an appointment for life. Rand Paul can be turned out by voters. Ms. Kagan cannot.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

we vs us

Quote from: Conan71 on May 22, 2010, 09:56:20 AM
I'm far more concerned about why Rand Paul's Constitutional views are more note-worthy than those of Elena Kagan who is up for an appointment for life. Rand Paul can be turned out by voters. Ms. Kagan cannot.

I don't think anyone said his opinions were more important than hers.  They really have nothing to do with one another.   And I wouldn't worry about her getting her time in the spotlight; her hearings aren't scheduled for another couple of months, still.  

Rand Paul is important because he's the son of a lionized libertarian and is also probably the highest profile Tea Party candidate up to this point (Marco Rubio in FL might be the other, but he's had enough common sense to stick with sympathetic media up till now).  And it's not every day that you get to hear someone try to shoot down the Civil Rights Act.  Honestly, there're lots of good reasons to watch what he's up to.

Ed W

I'll give him points for actually speaking his mind rather than merely spouting what may get him elected. 
Ed

May you live in interesting times.