Quiktrip - Type 3

[Hoss]

A red square in a box is a nice start...it's really coming along.

I can see it just fine.

[DolfanBob]

Where's this at, Dolfan?

N.W. Corner of 61st and 145th E Av. Albany and Aspen for you B.A. people.

[Red Arrow]

A red square in a box is a nice start...it's really coming along.

Interesting.  I get a red X in a white box here at work.  That often happens but I can usually see the pictures at home.

[patric]

They used the high-glare "Scootsdale" lights under the awning, which isnt code (1303c).
That actually surprises me because the trend the last few QT's have been following was to use low-glare "Richmond" lights for the canopy (like they did at 15th & harvard and 21st and Memorial).

http://www.lsi-industries.com/products/lighting-solutions/petro/richmond.aspx

[dsjeffries]

They used the high-glare "Scootsdale" lights under the awning, which isnt code (1303c).
That actually surprises me because the trend the last few QT's have been following was to use low-glare "Richmond" lights for the canopy (like they did at 15th & harvard and 21st and Memorial).

http://www.lsi-industries.com/products/lighting-solutions/petro/richmond.aspx

The new location at Highway 75 & Highway 20 (146th St. N.) between Skiatook and Collinsville uses recessed, flat-lens LED lights in the canopy. It's a beautiful thing to behold. You can actually see clearly around you, as you pull up there's no glare, and the store isn't so over-lit that there's a dome of light pollution floating above it visible for miles. It's a regular-style QT, which I think it much better than the Type 3 stores.

[Hoss]

The new location at Highway 75 & Highway 20 (146th St. N.) between Skiatook and Collinsville uses recessed, flat-lens LED lights in the canopy. It's a beautiful thing to behold. You can actually see clearly around you, as you pull up there's no glare, and the store isn't so over-lit that there's a dome of light pollution floating above it visible for miles. It's a regular-style QT, which I think it much better than the Type 3 stores.

To each their own.  I love the Gen3 stores.  The parking is laid out much smarter, and you don't feel like you're wading through people during rush hour to get in and out.  I hope they have a boatload of them by years' end.

[patric]

To each their own.  I love the Gen3 stores.  The parking is laid out much smarter, and you don't feel like you're wading through people during rush hour to get in and out.  I hope they have a boatload of them by years' end.

We can only wonder why the better design stores have the worse design lighting.  Seems like it would be easy to remedy in the planning stages.

[Hoss]

We can only wonder why the better design stores have the worse design lighting.  Seems like it would be easy to remedy in the planning stages.

Now that part I would agree with.

[dbacks fan]

They used the high-glare "Scootsdale" lights under the awning, which isnt code (1303c).
That actually surprises me because the trend the last few QT's have been following was to use low-glare "Richmond" lights for the canopy (like they did at 15th & harvard and 21st and Memorial).

http://www.lsi-industries.com/products/lighting-solutions/petro/richmond.aspx

Not quite sure what you mean by "Scootsdale" but here are a couple of stories about crime stats and c-stores done by ASU
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2011/07/10/20110710asu-study-circle-k-police-calls.html
and actually here is a link to several stories about crime stats and things suggested and proposed by various agencies in the Phoenix metro area, and I know that a lot of it has to do with the lighting at the stores.
http://www.azcentral.com/results.php?catId=&aff=1100&searchkeyword=&searchcategory=*&cx=015840973018584549539%3A4mugrvjtm6k&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=Convinience+store+crime+study&address=#946
QT when they moved into the Phoenix area did two things. First was the gave everyone a c-store that they had never seen before in quality professionalism and safety. Second they set the bar so high that Circle K had to start remodeling their stores, and their new stores tried to copy QT. Circle K even went so far as to in the last two or three years get their employees to say "Hello" as people walk in the store, and to try upselling at the register. QT is now the standard for c-stores.
So you may complain about the lighting choices, but when cities are looking to them as a standard bearer for safety and security, you might just have to accept what they use for lighting that is not what you want for the safety of the customers and employees.

[Hoss]

Not quite sure what you mean by "Scootsdale" but here are a couple of stories about crime stats and c-stores done by ASU
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2011/07/10/20110710asu-study-circle-k-police-calls.html
and actually here is a link to several stories about crime stats and things suggested and proposed by various agencies in the Phoenix metro area, and I know that a lot of it has to do with the lighting at the stores.
http://www.azcentral.com/results.php?catId=&aff=1100&searchkeyword=&searchcategory=*&cx=015840973018584549539%3A4mugrvjtm6k&cof=FORID%3A9&ie=UTF-8&q=Convinience+store+crime+study&address=#946
QT when they moved into the Phoenix area did two things. First was the gave everyone a c-store that they had never seen before in quality professionalism and safety. Second they set the bar so high that Circle K had to start remodeling their stores, and their new stores tried to copy QT. Circle K even went so far as to in the last two or three years get their employees to say "Hello" as people walk in the store, and to try upselling at the register. QT is now the standard for c-stores.
So you may complain about the lighting choices, but when cities are looking to them as a standard bearer for safety and security, you might just have to accept what they use for lighting that is not what you want for the safety of the customers and employees.

Alot of c-stores in the past (Tulsa's Git N Go and U-Tote-Em come to mind) didn't worry much about employee safety.  Hell, even Kum n Go doesn't.  QT has a policy that every store must have a minimum of two employees working in it regardless of shift time.  My nephew worked for K&G briefly, but one night they wanted him to worked solo, it made him quite nervous so he quit.  Convenience stores with just one employee on the premises, IMO, are armed robberies just waiting to happen.

[TUalum0982]

Alot of c-stores in the past (Tulsa's Git N Go and U-Tote-Em come to mind) didn't worry much about employee safety.  Hell, even Kum n Go doesn't.  QT has a policy that every store must have a minimum of two employees working in it regardless of shift time.  My nephew worked for K&G briefly, but one night they wanted him to worked solo, it made him quite nervous so he quit.  Convenience stores with just one employee on the premises, IMO, are armed robberies just waiting to happen.

not true.  They have several locations where they only have one overnight person.  They always carry a buzzer on them that immediately calls in to either IS or police, but they dont always have two people working every store 24/7.  My wife used to work in the stores, and now works in corporate.  She worked overnights by herself many nights.  Policy hasnt changed. 

[patric]

So you may complain about the lighting choices, but when cities are looking to them as a standard bearer for safety and security, you might just have to accept what they use for lighting that is not what you want for the safety of the customers and employees.

No, we should not have to just accept someone's marketing disguised as "safety".

The term "Moth Effect Marketing" was coined to describe the petroleum marketing industry's intentions of using glare and sheer brightness to draw customers.  A secondary hope was that the increased brightness would do something to improve safety, but in reality, compromising your vision with glare reduces safety.

Municipalities responded by requiring less glare and trespass-prone lighting practices (this time with actual safety in mind) and the lighting manufacturers offered complying fixtures (in addition to the junk).

They  essentially cost the same, are installed the same way and sometimes even draw less power, so it just makes sense for a governing body to favor lighting that actually improves safety over those that only improve gas sales.

Sorry for the drift, but I need to clear up one bit of confusion before we get back.

This is a "Scottsdale"  fixture:


and this is the low-glare, shielded substitute from the same manufacturer:

[dbacks fan]

No, we should not have to just accept someone's marketing disguised as "safety".

The term "Moth Effect Marketing" was coined to describe the petroleum marketing industry's intentions of using glare and sheer brightness to draw customers.  A secondary hope was that the increased brightness would do something to improve safety, but in reality, compromising your vision with glare reduces safety.

Municipalities responded by requiring less glare and trespass-prone lighting practices (this time with actual safety in mind) and the lighting manufacturers offered complying fixtures (in addition to the junk).

They  essentially cost the same, are installed the same way and sometimes even draw less power, so it just makes sense for a governing body to favor lighting that actually improves safety over those that only improve gas sales.

Sorry for the drift, but I need to clear up one bit of confusion before we get back.

This is a "Scottsdale"  fixture:


and this is the low-glare, shielded substitute from the same manufacturer:

Thanks for the clarification patric. Back to the regular scheduled topic.

[bacjz00]

I'm assuming the new Tulsa Hills QuikTrip zoning got approved by TMAPC last week?  Can't wait for construction to begin on that one.  Didn't I read that it's going to be a Type 3 as well?

[sgrizzle]

I'm assuming the new Tulsa Hills QuikTrip zoning got approved by TMAPC last week?  Can't wait for construction to begin on that one.  Didn't I read that it's going to be a Type 3 as well?

Where at? the area needs something other than the walmart gas station that is being built in there.