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Tulsa city council adds sexual orientation as a protected class

Started by azbadpuppy, June 23, 2010, 11:50:19 PM

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Conan71

Quote from: Gaspar on June 24, 2010, 10:47:28 AM
I don't get it?  What's the big deal about Sexual Orientals?



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azbadpuppy

Quote from: Conan71 on June 24, 2010, 09:03:23 AM
What exactly is a "protected class"?  That's the part I'm not quite getting and the story quoted Councilor Westcott as saying the courts don't recognize sexual orientation as a protected class.

Personally, my preferred sexual orientation is horizontal.

Protected classes are groups of people who are protected under law from discrimination. Its hard to understand for people who have never been victims of discrimination.

And the courts will now have to recognize protection of sexual orientation as a 'protected class' in Tulsa as it pertains to this employment law, just like national origins, disabilities, gender, etc.

BTW, religion is also a protected class, and religion is not a genetic trait...

Unfortunately as long as there are people who discriminate based solely on the traits of another they do not like or agree with, then the need for these types of protections under the law will exist.

Also, for the record, sexual orientation includes heterosexuality too.
 

Red Arrow

My hair was red before it turned grey.  I want protected class status for people who used to have red hair.
 

Gaspar

Quote from: Red Arrow on June 24, 2010, 11:44:30 AM
My hair was red before it turned grey.  I want protected class status for people who used to have red hair.

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

azbadpuppy

Quote from: Red Arrow on June 24, 2010, 11:44:30 AM
My hair was red before it turned grey.  I want protected class status for people who used to have red hair.

Good luck with that one.


I find it insulting that some people take lightly the topic of discrimination, which is still very rampant in places like Oklahoma.
 

custosnox

Quote from: azbadpuppy on June 24, 2010, 11:49:53 AM
Good luck with that one.


I find it insulting that some people take lightly the topic of discrimination, which is still very rampant in places like Oklahoma.
doesn't help when we have laws that are discrimnatory, such as ones that discriminate against non-indians

Conan71

Quote from: azbadpuppy on June 24, 2010, 11:32:40 AM

Also, for the record, sexual orientation includes heterosexuality too.


Quite well aware of this, but probably a good thing for people to know who are less tolerant.

azbad, I think a lot of people equate this with special treatment for selected groups which isn't the case, but somehow that's the incorrect message a lot of people get.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Red Arrow

Quote from: azbadpuppy on June 24, 2010, 11:49:53 AM
Good luck with that one.
I find it insulting that some people take lightly the topic of discrimination, which is still very rampant in places like Oklahoma.

I find it insulting that so many feel the need to hide behind being   belong to a "protected class".  Discrimination is wrong but to try to spell out every possible reason for discrimination is discrimination toward the "unprotected class".
 

azbadpuppy

Quote from: Red Arrow on June 24, 2010, 12:01:40 PM
I find it insulting that so many feel the need to hide behind being a "protected class".  Discrimination is wrong but to try to spell out every possible reason for discrimination is discrimination toward the "unprotected class".

You are completely out of touch. It has nothing to do with hiding behind anything. In fact it prevents people from having to hide who they are in the workplace.

If someone feels they can fire someone based solely on the fact that they do not like their sexual orientation, then that is wrong and should not be tolerated.

Do you think black people are 'hiding' behind the laws? Do you think it would be ok to fire someone just for being black, or white, or brown??

Just because you may have an issue with someone's sexual preference, that has no relevence on what is lawful in the workplace when it comes to hiring or firing.
 

Conan71

Quote from: azbadpuppy on June 24, 2010, 12:08:33 PM
You are completely out of touch. It has nothing to do with hiding behind anything. In fact it prevents people from having to hide who they are in the workplace.

If someone feels they can fire someone based solely on the fact that they do not like their sexual orientation, then that is wrong and should not be tolerated.

Do you think black people are 'hiding' behind the laws? Do you think it would be ok to fire someone just for being black, or white, or brown??

Just because you may have an issue with someone's sexual preference, that has no relevence on what is lawful in the workplace when it comes to hiring or firing.

The protections offered in such ordinances however, is still no guarantee that some mid-level bigoted manager won't construct a way to fire someone or place someone under added scruitiny for race, sexual orientation, religion, or national origin.  They sure as heck won't list it as a reason for the firing.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

azbadpuppy

Quote from: Conan71 on June 24, 2010, 12:01:00 PM
Quite well aware of this, but probably a good thing for people to know who are less tolerant.

azbad, I think a lot of people equate this with special treatment for selected groups which isn't the case, but somehow that's the incorrect message a lot of people get.

Yeah, I know. I've dealt with this my entire life. It all boils down to intolerance and hatred towards certain types of people that others simply do not want to accept.

I mostly blame religious groups more than anything for this intolerant and hateful propaganda.

I have often asked myself this question: If organized religion did not exist, would homophobia exist?
 

Conan71

Quote from: azbadpuppy on June 24, 2010, 12:20:36 PM
Yeah, I know. I've dealt with this my entire life. It all boils down to intolerance and hatred towards certain types of people that others simply do not want to accept.

I mostly blame religious groups more than anything for this intolerant and hateful propaganda.

I have often asked myself this question: If organized religion did not exist, would homophobia exist?

I'm rather a fan of disorganized religion myself.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

azbadpuppy

Quote from: Conan71 on June 24, 2010, 12:15:50 PM
The protections offered in such ordinances however, is still no guarantee that some mid-level bigoted manager won't construct a way to fire someone or place someone under added scruitiny for race, sexual orientation, religion, or national origin.  They sure as heck won't list it as a reason for the firing.


Absolutely true. But to at least have the law in place explicity states that such discriminatory behavior is illegal and there could be repercussions.

A good HR department will have well documented examples of an employees failures to perform their job, thus resulting in termination.