Jobs outlook for small businesses may be getting bleaker

[guido911]

Your apology is wasted. Context is important and you abused it. I brought your name up because you have noted that you intend to spend this presidential term doing to Obama what you thought his critics did to Bush the last 8 years. You then did just what FOTD and others did to prove that you are no better than they are. Shrewd.

Still waiting for the "positive" stuff you said about Bush....

[waterboy]

Still waiting for the "positive" stuff you said about Bush....

If you're waiting for me to do a word search, please, hold your breath till you turn blue and pass out. I made them but I don't respond to bullies who twist words.

I was referring to remarks during my life the last 12 years. Not just references on these political threads. But I will repeat for you my assertions- I liked Bush. I liked his response in Afghanistan to 911. I liked his family and his father. His wife is nice. His daughters are to be proud of. I like what he said he was going to do, which was to bring the country toghether and avoid divisiness. I didn't like his failure to do so.

You suck man.

[waterboy]

You posted the damned e-mail so, in my opinion, you freakin own it. It's also thoroughly consistent with my other posts and the numerous others I left out.

You damned moron. I posted the e-mail to show what kind of crap was floating around during that time.

Turning you off.

[guido911]

Your apology is wasted. Context is important and you abused it. I brought your name up because you have noted that you intend to spend this presidential term doing to Obama what you thought his critics did to Bush the last 8 years. You then did just what FOTD and others did to prove that you are no better than they are. Shrewd.

My apology was in advance of a possible errant cut/paste job and in response to your genius rebuttal: "I think some are bogus because I know my writing style and they look wrong".  So much for knowing your own "writing style".  

[guido911]

You damned moron. I posted the e-mail to show what kind of crap was floating around during that time.

Turning you off.

You started this crap with me. Buh-bye then. I guess all that looking for "positive solutions"  you flat out misled about in an earlier post only works with a dem in the white house.

[Gaspar]

You are of course HALF right.  You are saying this is what is going to happen.  But not if Obama has anything to say about it.  He wants people in the 28% to stay in the 28%.  In fact his plan has the taxes on 212k-235k going down 5% (you end up being neutral at 250k when the taxes actually do start going up)



http://www.smartonmoney.com/bush-tax-cuts-set-to-expire-in-2011-will-you-be-paying-more/

Excellent!  That was published in April.  The $3.6 Trillion Budget has changed, and been shelved.  You are correct the blame cannot all be laid on the President.  Congress' spending spree has much to do with it.  If the preservation of the Middle-class cuts survives now it will be miraculous. Correction- If a budget is passed at all it will be miraculous.  Congress already passed enough emergency spending measures, and now is focused squarely on other matters.  They are facing a lame-duck session with the public outrage against their spending and their choice to ignore the economy.  Now they have to get all of their dirty laundry passed before they lose control of the House and possibly the Senate too (but not likely).

The CBO predicts that if Congress approves Obama's budget — including keeping the lower tax rates for families under $250,000 — the federal treasury will lose a staggering $2.2 trillion in the next 10 years.  If they do revisit the Budget, they will use this estimate as reasoning to eliminate the tax cuts.

Rather than curtail their spending and add incentive to the economy, they will choose to expand spending and pull as much money out of the economy as possible to fuel spending.  They have become completely disconnected.

[guido911]

If you're waiting for me to do a word search, please, hold your breath till you turn blue and pass out. I made them but I don't respond to bullies who twist words.

I was referring to remarks during my life the last 12 years. Not just references on these political threads. But I will repeat for you my assertions- I liked Bush. I liked his response in Afghanistan to 911. I liked his family and his father. His wife is nice. His daughters are to be proud of. I like what he said he was going to do, which was to bring the country toghether and avoid divisiness. I didn't like his failure to do so.

You suck man.

Get lost then. Again, you started this whole mess by taking a slap at me. When I respond, suddenly I'm the bully. Coward.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Conan,
It's meaningless because of the nearly 300 million definitions of waste.

As for mating bats (flying rats), I would much rather spend $300,000 to study birds and bats than $1 trillion + to get back at BushBabies Daddy's insulter.
http://www.blockislandtimes.com/view/full_story/2568339/article-Deepwater-nets-a-federal-grant-for-bird--bat-studies-

You, apparently, think it was ok to spend the trillion and kill 4,000 of our kids for that little irrelevant escapade.

How are you going to determine the staffer, printing costs, or amount of toilet paper needed by Congress??  I can assure you that as full of it as they are, there is a dramatic, critical need for the latter!

I couldn't really care less about air shows - and am guessing you couldn't either - but there are contributors to the effort that may.  And it does provide some direct interaction and contact with our military that I DO believe is very beneficial for civilian/military relations.  How much is it worth?  I don't know.  At least $50.  Probably not $20 billion.

How about national parks?  I love them and go to every one I can as often as I can.  I know people who have never been to one an couldn't care less.  But then, then like going to the Smithsonian, which I haven't seen in 40 years.

Preferential business set asides?  Well, I guess I can live with 5% set asides if it redresses in some tiny measure the more grotesque mockeries of the past.  

How about $ 50 billion in no-bid contract awards to Haliburton??  I resent that abominable waste of my money.  Most right winger extremists think it is not only ok, but probably their due!  As well as so many other government welfare programs for CEO's and mega-corporations.



As far as Bushies, etc. - well the left attacked Bush II because the right attacked Clinton because the left attacked Bush I and Reagan because the right attacked Carter because the left attacked Ford and Nixon because the right attacked Johnson and Kennedy because the left attacked Eisenhour because the right attacked Truman and Roosevelt because -- well, you can see a trend here, can't you???

[guido911]

Back O/T, like Trogdor, I am a small business owner. But contrary to his point, my taxes have already gone up (and no, I do not sell bbq sauce). I am seriously curious what business he is in. Maybe I am doing something wrong here.

[waterboy]

My apology was in advance of a possible errant cut/paste job and in response to your genius rebuttal: "I think some are bogus because I know my writing style and they look wrong".  So much for knowing your own "writing style".  

My gawd man! How did you make it through law school? TU?

The quote you used was NOT my writing style. It was an e-mail floating around that you neglected to put in quotes even though I had done so.

You leave first then I'll consider it.

[waterboy]

You started this crap with me. Buh-bye then. I guess all that looking for "positive solutions"  you flat out misled about in an earlier post only works with a dem in the white house.

Heh, like you missed when I said "all is fair during an election".

go back to your cave. Oh, yeah, I'll never mention your name again, but I'll be thinking of you. Just look for the code words....context, bully, neo, fantacist, freeper...

[Hoss]

Heh, like you missed when I said "all is fair during an election".

go back to your cave. Oh, yeah, I'll never mention your name again, but I'll be thinking of you. Just look for the code words....context, bully, neo, fantacist, freeper...

Don't feel bad; he never replies to me directly.  He'll reply to topics I'm in or even start, but won't use my name.  Like it will burn his tongue or set him aflame or something...

[Gaspar]

Ok, I think that to stimulate the economy, you need to get money in the hands of businesses. The consumer dollar is shrinking, because of unemployment, and the longer we wait, the less effect any injection of cash or incentive will have.  Had we taken action earlier we wouldn't' be in this predicament.

What has worked in the past?  We have reduced marginal tax rates.  Dropped fuel prices by lowering fuel taxes.  Relaxed wage and price controls on multiple markets. Deregulated multiple markets.

To do any of these correctly we would need to be prepared to shrink government.

Freedman, Mises, Hayek et. al. would agree that we cannot stay on this path without collapse.  The Keynesian model always has to be discounted or temporarily abandoned to stimulate an economy in crises.

There is no means of avoiding the final collapse of a boom brought about by credit expansion. The alternative is only whether the crisis should come sooner as a result of a voluntary abandonment of further credit expansion, or later as a final total catastrophe of the currency involved."
"If they do not plan new aggressions, they are not in need of arms." -Ludwig von Mises

So, what should the President do? 

First of all he needs to halt Congress in their tracks before they can do any more damage.  Not sign a single bill unless it obey's PAYGO, and creates immediate and tangible benefits to businesses (you know, the places where paychecks come from?).

Second, freeze the stimulus, use the $580 Billion currently unspent by reducing the tax burden on any business that employ 5 people or more, and make that incremental based on the number of employees on their payroll by the end of 2010, and an additional deferred tax incentive for retention of those employees for each year after. 

Third, lift restrictions that make it damn near impossible to build a refinery, and shift the tax burden for refining domestic fuel.  Use 100% of the taxes collected at new refining facilities for research on alternative energy sources.

(we still haven't spent any new money)

I can think of a few more too.

[waterboy]

The first two were fine. I always enjoy it when Congress is humbled. That is where the fruitcakes are assembled. Difficult to do but admirable. The third one is based on some myths that persist about the oil industry. Namely, that govt. is fatally hindering the construction of refineries and that they have any interest in alternative energies (unless or until they hold the rights to them). Talk to Boone about that. He has been pretty much ignored by the industry he hails from with his ideas.

Truth is we are a distribution and consumption country when it comes to oil. Even the oil we drill for goes into the open market. The cost of building refineries is immense, the exposure and reclamation costs severe and the companies know the return is not there for us. That bears repeating. It is more cost efficient to have third world countries who have weaker governments do the refining for us and then work with those governments to protect our assets. It has been that way since the 60's at least (Aramco?). If ever there was a time and a motive to build refineries in America, the Bushes could have pulled it off during their terms. Nothing happened. The absence of building leads one to believe that govt. stopped them. But we haven't built any dams since the Keystone dam in 1964. Would you draw the same conclusion?

This is oil country so I expect a lot of grief for those statements. But is any of it untrue? There are plenty of small drillers and refiners who are doing just fine but the big guys have decided against domestic refining and I think they are correct to do so. I think they know Boone is correct but are patiently waiting to the last drop of oil and a share of the new pie before admitting it.

[waterboy]

Don't feel bad; he never replies to me directly.  He'll reply to topics I'm in or even start, but won't use my name.  Like it will burn his tongue or set him aflame or something...

If anyone really cares, I checked each link. They were all preposterously out of context and ALL during the election cycle. No one challenged me at the time about their factual nature either.