New John Sullivan Campaign Commercial

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Very unusual. 

Reminds me of an old white guy's rapping.   

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You should hear Tim Coager's radio commercial (running for Brogdon's seat)

It's all about how Rick Brinkley (the competition) was a PA on Sally Jessie Raphael when they aired a transgendered wedding.

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You should hear Tim Coager's radio commercial (running for Brogdon's seat)

It's all about how Rick Brinkley (the competition) was a PA on Sally Jessie Raphael when they aired a transgendered wedding.

Yeah I have, but Rick Brinkley countered that today with an ad by saying he uses that show in his witnessing to churches,  that was the turning point for him.  He quit being a TV Producer 20 years ago and went to seminary school to become a minister. 

He slammed Coager for using information he has provided in to area churches on why he turned to the ministry. 

In the spirit of disclosure, I have a Rick Brinkley sign in my front yard.   Rick has been coming to Owasso Chamber meetings and other community events in in North Tulsa County for years.   I saw Tim Coager at an Owasso Chamber meeting once a couple of months ago.  How do I know, I have been at these events networking for my business for the last 10 years. 

I'll take a guy who has invested his time in the community over the long term, before I will a Tim come lately. 

I know you don't have a dog in this fight, but I do.  So I felt I should speak up. 

   

[YoungTulsan]

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Yeah I have, but Rick Brinkley countered that today with an ad by saying he uses that show in his witnessing to churches,  that was the turning point for him.  He quit being a TV Producer 20 years ago and went to seminary school to become a minister. 

He slammed Coager for using information he has provided in to area churches on why he turned to the ministry. 

In the spirit of disclosure, I have a Rick Brinkley sign in my front yard.   Rick has been coming to Owasso Chamber meetings and other community events in in North Tulsa County for years.   I saw Tim Coager at an Owasso Chamber meeting once a couple of months ago.  How do I know, I have been at these events networking for my business for the last 10 years. 

I'll take a guy who has invested his time in the community over the long term, before I will a Tim come lately. 

I know you don't have a dog in this fight, but I do.  So I felt I should speak up. 

   

I can't vote in that election, but I wouldn't vote for Jesus if he had run that commercial. i wish i had a copy of it to share with people. The acting is worse than the "1-800-2-Sell-homes" commercials.

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I can't vote in that election, but I wouldn't vote for Jesus if he had run that commercial. i wish i had a copy of it to share with people. The acting is worse than the "1-800-2-Sell-homes" commercials.

Yeah the children playing in the background while the two women are talking is over the top too. 

He aligns himself with Randy Brogdon too in this commercial, which is a mistake.   I know Randy real well, supported and contributed money in his first run for the Senate. I'm on his Christmas Card list. LOL   But he went off the deep end trying be more conservative than The John Birch Society and he lost me. 

It is interesting listening to the political commercials, with everyone trying to prove they are the most conservative.   

I wish someone would just say, I'm a middle of the road moderate who will piss both conservatives and liberals off like Scott Brown the Senator from Massachusetts.   

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I wish someone would just say, I'm a middle of the road moderate who will piss both conservatives and liberals off like Scott Brown the Senator from Massachusetts.   

If that someone could get people on both sides of moderate to agree, that would be great.  Unfortunately, candidates firmly entrenched in the middle left or right call themselves moderates because they aren't on the fringes.

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If that someone could get people on both sides of moderate to agree, that would be great.  Unfortunately, candidates firmly entrenched in the middle left or right call themselves moderates because they aren't on the fringes.

When the fringes make up so much of the parties, moderate left and moderate right seem plain moderate.

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When the fringes make up so much of the parties, moderate left and moderate right seem plain moderate.

OK, I'll present it as an arbitrary scale.

-10 = far left
0 = the fence
+10 = far right
a -5 won't appeal to the plus side
a + 5 won't appeal to the minus side.

I think between -3 and +3 has a chance of acceptance by the other side.  As I opened with, this is an arbitrary scale with numbers that make sense to me. Your results may vary.

(Just a coincidence that the number line I learned in elementary school happens to put + on the right.)

[nathanm]

OK, I'll present it as an arbitrary scale.

-10 = far left
0 = the fence
+10 = far right
a -5 won't appeal to the plus side
a + 5 won't appeal to the minus side.

I think between -3 and +3 has a chance of acceptance by the other side.  As I opened with, this is an arbitrary scale with numbers that make sense to me. Your results may vary.

(Just a coincidence that the number line I learned in elementary school happens to put + on the right.)

Well, the problem I have with it is that the "far left" just doesn't have much sway in this country. You've got Bernie Sanders (an actual socialist!), Dennis Kucinich, and a couple of other guys way out there and a bunch of folks like Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, Blanche Lincoln, Harry Reid and the like who make up the vast majority of Democrats, who are pretty much Republicans in the Nixon mold calling themselves Democrats.

Then on the Republican side of the aisle, you've got a couple of moderates like Olympia Snowe, a few middle right folks like Chuck Grassley and Tom Harkin, and then a bunch of folks ranging from "only slightly insane" (new McCain) to "stark raving mad". (See: Inhofe, Jim) And right now they're all running towards "stark raving mad" to appease Tea Partiers.

There just isn't the extreme left representation in the Democratic caucus like there is with the extreme right in the Republican Party. That's why the Greens have been doing relatively well recently. In the 90s, there was a radical shift to the right within the Democrats, similar to what happened with Labour across the pond. The financial meltdown changed things a little, but not much. Note that all the major initiatives they've gotten through, with the exception of the stimulus, have been market-based solutions, albeit with slightly stronger oversight than post-Reagan Republicans would have liked, but still nothing like what it used to be.

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Well, the problem I have with it is that the "far left" just doesn't have much sway in this country. You've got Bernie Sanders (an actual socialist!), Dennis Kucinich, and a couple of other guys way out there and a bunch of folks like Ben Nelson, Mark Pryor, Blanche Lincoln, Harry Reid and the like who make up the vast majority of Democrats, who are pretty much Republicans in the Nixon mold calling themselves Democrats.

Then on the Republican side of the aisle, you've got a couple of moderates like Olympia Snowe, a few middle right folks like Chuck Grassley and Tom Harkin, and then a bunch of folks ranging from "only slightly insane" (new McCain) to "stark raving mad". (See: Inhofe, Jim) And right now they're all running towards "stark raving mad" to appease Tea Partiers.

There just isn't the extreme left representation in the Democratic caucus like there is with the extreme right in the Republican Party. That's why the Greens have been doing relatively well recently. In the 90s, there was a radical shift to the right within the Democrats, similar to what happened with Labour across the pond. The financial meltdown changed things a little, but not much. Note that all the major initiatives they've gotten through, with the exception of the stimulus, have been market-based solutions, albeit with slightly stronger oversight than post-Reagan Republicans would have liked, but still nothing like what it used to be.

I would guess you to be about a -6.

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Well, the problem I have with it is that the "far left" just doesn't have much sway in this country.

Really?

Obamacare? Finance reform? Porkulus?

Coming soon to a cloture vote near you: Cap'n Tax, Immigration Shamnesty

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Really?

Obamacare? Finance reform? Porkulus?

Coming soon to a cloture vote near you: Cap'n Tax, Immigration Shamnesty

*Snorkle laughing loudly*

You mean RomneyCare? Hell, even cap & trade is a freaking market solution previously endorsed by Republicans. The similar program for sulfur dioxide was signed into law by the first President Bush.

While the immigration bill hasn't even been written yet, there have been a set of principles agreed on for it, and it actually seems pretty reasonable. It does not provide a blanket amnesty, but it does provide a new visa that allows currently present illegal immigrants who are in the country and remain continuously in the country between the time the legislation is enacted and the time they are able to apply for the visa a path to legal presence after the current visa backlog is cleared and provided that certain milestones are met in improving border security.

My point was that none of the legislation passed thus far can properly be described as far left. Moderate, sure, possibly in some cases even center left, but by and large it's stuff Republicans were perfectly OK with a few short years ago before they went into full on obstructionist mode.

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You mean RomneyCare? Hell, even cap & trade is a freaking market solution previously endorsed by Republicans. The similar program for sulfur dioxide was signed into law by the first President Bush.

While the immigration bill hasn't even been written yet, there have been a set of principles agreed on for it, and it actually seems pretty reasonable. It does not provide a blanket amnesty, but it does provide a new visa that allows currently present illegal immigrants who are in the country and remain continuously in the country between the time the legislation is enacted and the time they are able to apply for the visa a path to legal presence after the current visa backlog is cleared and provided that certain milestones are met in improving border security.

My point was that none of the legislation passed thus far can properly be described as far left. Moderate, sure, possibly in some cases even center left, but by and large it's stuff Republicans were perfectly OK with a few short years ago before they went into full on obstructionist mode.

So these pieces of legislation, as passed are somehow conservative or Republican in nature?

I think I just choked from laughing so hard at this spin.