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Started by Gaspar, July 16, 2010, 07:34:42 AM

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swake

Quote from: jne on August 03, 2010, 05:45:21 PM
Ah, I see I was a little late on this one. 
BTW Does anyone think Dewey would have any problem screwing things up even if there were a city manager position?  I still don't have a very strong feeling either for or against such a position.  Although, I admit, I'm getting warmer to the idea as this saga continues, but really, would it make that much difference?

Isn't that basically what "Vice-Mayor" Simonson is doing?

Gaspar

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Conan71

As I was coming into the office today, I heard on KRMG that Mayor Bartlet (sic) has only made it to something like three out of 35 meetings for the various boards the mayor of Tulsa traditionally sits on, if I understood the story correctly.

What the hell is he so busy doing?  Keener business? 

For a mayor who supposedly lived in Ft. Lauderdale, Mayor Taylor sure managed to make the rounds of meetings and public appearances and she didn't take a salary.

I had a distinct feeling Bartlet (sic) would be a part-time mayor.  Is it possible we've ever had a worse mayor?  I think even Terry Young did a better job.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

swake

Quote from: Conan71 on August 04, 2010, 09:32:53 AM
As I was coming into the office today, I heard on KRMG that Mayor Bartlet (sic) has only made it to something like three out of 35 meetings for the various boards the mayor of Tulsa traditionally sits on, if I understood the story correctly.

What the hell is he so busy doing?  Keener business? 

For a mayor who supposedly lived in Ft. Lauderdale, Mayor Taylor sure managed to make the rounds of meetings and public appearances and she didn't take a salary.

I had a distinct feeling Bartlet (sic) would be a part-time mayor.  Is it possible we've ever had a worse mayor?  I think even Terry Young did a better job.

I get the distinct impression that Dewey wasn't really elected mayor and has no intention of serving, he's a figure head only. Terry Simonson was elected using Dewey's name.

Conan71

Quote from: swake on August 04, 2010, 09:52:09 AM
I get the distinct impression that Dewey wasn't really elected mayor and has no intention of serving, he's a figure head only. Terry Simonson was elected using Dewey's name.

And for that, they need to be re-called.  Their shell game has been exposed.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

Quote from: Gaspar on August 04, 2010, 07:41:45 AM
I have written them a letter.

Many of the Colorado Springs City Counselors are now following this thread. ;)

Welcome guys/gals.  Feel free to chime in.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Hawkins

Quote from: swake on August 04, 2010, 09:52:09 AM
I get the distinct impression that Dewey wasn't really elected mayor and has no intention of serving, he's a figure head only. Terry Simonson was elected using Dewey's name.

Interesting...

Well it worked for Dick Cheney for eight years.   ;D

Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on August 04, 2010, 02:06:07 PM
Many of the Colorado Springs City Counselors are now following this thread. ;)

Welcome guys/gals.  Feel free to chime in.

Maybe we should fix the spelling in the title then.

Helloooooo, Colorado Springs

custosnox

Quote from: Townsend on August 04, 2010, 02:26:38 PM
Maybe we should fix the spelling in the title then.

Helloooooo, Colorado Springs
ha, I didn't even notice the title misspelling.  

To be honest I'm not sure if it would be better to go back to commisioner system or not.  That system seems too open for abuse, but than again, the current "strong mayor" seems to get plenty of abuse.  Maybe a better set of checks and balances in place that allow for a more effective oversight of the positions.  Under the current system it seems all that is being done is petty squabbeling between Bartlett and the council.  Yes, some of it is very ligitimate, but other parts are getting just downright spiteful.  And, of course, it gets worst because the ability of the council to oversee the mayors office is limited, and even questioned.  

Townsend

I'm good with the form of government we have.

I question the performance of the actors in the play...and maybe the one calling the shots from stage right we didn't vote for.

jne

I'd love to see comments from Colorado Springs regarding their own model
Vote for the two party system!
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OldTimeTulsan

Three of the seven Colorado Springs councilors are "at-large" members. This would likely be an improvement on the Tulsa model, which is a model for ward politics, dominated by neighborhood activists and special interests. Then again, almost anything would be an improvement on the Tulsa model.

waterboy

"At Large" was severely criticized on this forum as leading to domination by elitist mid towners. I never understood that line of thinking.

Conan71

Quote from: waterboy on August 08, 2010, 08:10:01 PM
"At Large" was severely criticized on this forum as leading to domination by elitist mid towners. I never understood that line of thinking.

Considering out of district donations which have been flowing into council races (i.e. Lakin, Patrick, Trail, etc.), I think there's enough reason for some concern about that.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

nathanm

Quote from: Conan71 on August 09, 2010, 08:59:02 AM
Considering out of district donations which have been flowing into council races (i.e. Lakin, Patrick, Trail, etc.), I think there's enough reason for some concern about that.
It'll be interesting to see what south tulsa's population is compared to the area where "elitist mid towners" are willing to live when the census folks get around to releasing block group counts.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln