Global Warming/Climate Change/Global Weirding?

[Conan71]

The 3-phase went away when AEP rebuilt the overhead wiring for my neighborhood after the '07-08 ice storm.
The compressor shed looked like a storage shed, was loud and scary.  All that remains is the pipe stub where the house plumbing connected to the buried water lines that ran between the compressor and the water tower.  I dont know if there was any sort of backflow protection or if that was a thing in the '50's.

My sole experience with cooling towers and chillers are commercial units from 10 ton to 20,000 ton systems so my knowledge of residential "wet" condensers is comparatively low.

I'm guessing a cooling tower the size which would have been on your property (unless you live in a Philbrook size mansion) would have been an atmospheric draft wooden tower (i.e. no draft fan like on larger commercial units) but would have had a basin and pump to pump the water back to the top of the tower where it could atomize, evaporate, and cool.  It would have a float type mechanical water make up valve in the basin of the tower so only fresh water, and not recirculating water would have been in the pipe from the house, really no need for a back flow preventer in that case.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Backflow preventer maybe if connected to the city water lines - in addition to the float makeup valve.  Not sure they understood the water supply contamination possibilities very well back when that was installed.  That would be similar to swimming pool in terms of maintenance - different chemicals, but treatment would have been required to keep the chemistry proper.

Can you tell how big the water tower would have been from where it was?  I would guess something maybe the size a few of the old time swamp coolers might have been enough.  Maybe 6' x 6' x 6' - ish.... Maybe a little bigger.??

[patric]

Backflow preventer maybe if connected to the city water lines - in addition to the float makeup valve.  Not sure they understood the water supply contamination possibilities very well back when that was installed.  That would be similar to swimming pool in terms of maintenance - different chemicals, but treatment would have been required to keep the chemistry proper.

Can you tell how big the water tower would have been from where it was?  I would guess something maybe the size a few of the old time swamp coolers might have been enough.  Maybe 6' x 6' x 6' - ish.... Maybe a little bigger.??

I remember it was shaped like an upright refrigerator but larger.  A couple feet taller than me but I was smaller then as well.  Sat in the corner of the yard surrounded by a wire fence.

[guido911]

 I love today's global cooling... I mean weather.

[Ed W]

Common mistake. Climate is macro. Weather is micro.

[swake]

Common mistake. Climate is macro. Weather is micro.

Yes, micro, like trumps hands.....

[Red Arrow]

I love today's global cooling... I mean weather.

Cooler than normal weather does not enter into the models for climate change, only hotter than normal days count.  Washington and Oregon are presently having our normal (or maybe a bit warmer) August weather, proving beyond a doubt that Al Gore's Gulfstream causes global warming.

[cannon_fodder]

Cooler than normal weather does not enter into the models for climate change, only hotter than normal days count.  Washington and Oregon are presently having our normal (or maybe a bit warmer) August weather, proving beyond a doubt that Al Gore's Gulfstream causes global warming.

Not sure if a joke, or gross ignorance.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Not sure if a joke, or gross ignorance.

It's a heavy dependence on Fake Fox News Sound Bite Worldview....disguised as a joke.

[Conan71]

Not sure if a joke, or gross ignorance.

I was discussing with a guest the other day such issues.  Putting it into perspective, the current belief in global warming, climate change, or whatever we want to call it, is only about 25 or so years old.  It seems like a very young science with so many variables at work to be so absolute in its conclusions so as not to give any dissension credibility.

[heironymouspasparagus]

I was discussing with a guest the other day such issues.  Putting it into perspective, the current belief in global warming, climate change, or whatever we want to call it, is only about 25 or so years old.  It seems like a very young science with so many variables at work to be so absolute in its conclusions so as not to give any dissension credibility.

The big difference that is highly visible between this warming/CO2 event and all the previous ones is the sequence.  The Vostok cores show us history for half a million years where temps and CO2 have gone up and down in a regular if not quite predictable pattern.  EACH of these events was led by temperature changing...meaning for whatever reason, temperature increased followed sometime later by increased CO2 levels.

THIS event is the exact opposite of that.  CO2 levels started rising followed by increases in temperature.  That one reason alone should not just give pause, but should be cause flashing red lights, screaming sirens, and blaring announcements from loudspeakers!   We have turned around 100% in the opposite direction from what is a natural, cyclical event of nature to the exact opposite!  Caused by man's activities.

Anyone not at least very concerned, either should be, or is a complete fool.


Not actually a belief - it is measurable data for 200+ years.  And the fact that CO2 is now at an average level of 400 ppm - about 100 ppm higher than any of the previous Vostok levels - puts another little alarm there.

[TheArtist]

Years ago I pointed out some of the models show that Oklahomas weather could moderate once we shift to a more "tropic" zone.  Summers may not be as hot but winters will be warmer. 

2 things to point out though.

During the transition we could see wilder weather swings until whatever "new normal" sets in.

That new normal could either be us being Death Valley dry and with 120+ temps killing everything we have. Or Tropical with more rain and warm winters.

I am hoping for the latter. Would love to have palm trees and tropical plants in my yard year round!

[swake]

I was discussing with a guest the other day such issues.  Putting it into perspective, the current belief in global warming, climate change, or whatever we want to call it, is only about 25 or so years old.  It seems like a very young science with so many variables at work to be so absolute in its conclusions so as not to give any dissension credibility.

Um, no. Climate Science is hundreds of years old. The first prediction of global warming due to human caused CO2 dates to the late 19th century, almost 125 years ago, not 25 years ago.

https://skepticalscience.com/history-climate-science.html
https://history.aip.org/climate/timeline.htm

You are being lied to by the energy industry

Remember when oil drilling didn't cause earthquakes and smoking didn't cause cancer?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Remember when oil drilling didn't cause earthquakes and smoking didn't cause cancer?

You are reminding us what we have to look forward to if Trump is impeached - Mike Pence!   He still believes and spews the verbal vomit that smoking doesn't cause cancer!   Or any other disease or adverse reaction...

I would much rather have the old swamp than the new swamp....

One would have hoped, but we DID get fooled again...at least many of the weak minded did...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYMD_W_r3Fg

[Red Arrow]

Would love to have palm trees and tropical plants in my yard year round!

I would like to have year 'round Tepin chile pepper plants.  They are grown in southern Texas as ornamental shrubs.  I like the peppers, little round ones the size of a green pea.  Yes, they are hot.