The New Mosque

[Gaspar]

I think I explained the reasoning behind my statement. We aren't in what half our country thinks of as a holy war with Christianity or Buddhism or whatever. I think there's an argument that could be made that there are legitimate secular foreign policy objectives involved in sending him around the world. I haven't been able to find a clear account of what is actually happening.

Excuse me if I have a hard time swallowing the nutosphere's (oh portmanteau, I how I love thee) take without some corroborating evidence other than the media's reports on the nutosphere's claims, given that they so recently succeeded in completely obfuscating the truth on the community center/mosque issue.

Edited to add: And now I find claims that Rauf was sent overseas on the State Department dime twice in the Bush Administration. And reading further..it's all a pack of lies about the fundraising..to wit:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5ijPxKmwGVxOVZvDFCYSiBLyPIaJAD9HGVFS81

Ahh, manufactured controversy in the morning. I love it! (not really, I'm tired of the lying)

But a London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Abdul Rauf reported that he says he also will collect money from Muslim and Arab nations around the world -- raising the possibility his goodwill mission could help him build contacts in oil-rich states.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/feds_funding_zero_imam_mideast_trip_OTq9dmoHpxbaKvJbB4VLGM#ixzz0wy8RkOFa

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/feds_funding_zero_imam_mideast_trip_OTq9dmoHpxbaKvJbB4VLGM#ixzz0wy8GMqI2

[Gaspar]

Now Pelosi has joined the frey:

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, is calling for an investigation of those who are protesting the building of the Ground Zero Mosque.

What a soap opera!

[Townsend]

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, is calling for an investigation of those who are protesting the building of the Ground Zero Mosque.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/aug/17/audio-rep-pelosi-calls-investigation-wtc-mosque-op/

"There is no question there is a concerted effort to make this a political issue by some. And I join those who have called for looking into how is this opposition to the mosque being funded," she said. "How is this being ginned up that here we are talking about Treasure Island, something we've been working on for decades, something of great interest to our community as we go forward to an election about the future of our country and two of the first three questions are about a zoning issue in New York City."

She asking why it's being pushed as a national political issue instead of a local zoning issue.

[Conan71]

Because it's a highly charged emotional issue not a simple zoning issue. US troops are fighting against Muslims, not Iraq nor Afghanistan.

[Hoss]

Because it's a highly charged emotional issue not a simple zoning issue. US troops are fighting against radical Muslims, not Iraq nor Afghanistan.

FIFY

[Gaspar]

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/watercooler/2010/aug/17/audio-rep-pelosi-calls-investigation-wtc-mosque-op/

She asking why it's being pushed as a national political issue instead of a local zoning issue.

I actually think she is trying to keep it in the spotlight.

This is the kind of charged topic that creates the fog of war that she needs to keep people from focusing on the problematic stimulus efforts, massive spending, and Obamacare.

She needs to come out of the gate strong on this and demand that hearings be called and media coverage scrutinized. She needs to shake fingers and grandstand on this, else she may find herself debating her own catastrophic decisions.

[Conan71]

Hoss, you and I make that distinction, Bubba Joe Sixpack doesn't 

[Townsend]

Because it's a highly charged emotional issue not a simple zoning issue. US troops are fighting against Muslims, not Iraq nor Afghanistan.

Why is it emotionally charged?  Because we're told it is.

What will happen to you if it's built?

What will happen to the site (blocks away) if it is built?

What will happen to everyone's religions?

[Gaspar]

Damn she's smart.


Refuses comment on the matter.

[dbacks fan]

[Conan71]

Why is it emotionally charged?  Because we're told it is.

What will happen to you if it's built?

What will happen to the site (blocks away) if it is built?

What will happen to everyone's religions?

Just because your knickers nor mine are in a twist on it doesn't mean millions of others aren't in an uproar.  Whether it's through a misinformation campaign, factual evidence, or long-held paradigms.  It's not up to me to discount or try to invalidate someone else's feelings on the issue. 

I don't think we can deny choosing this spot is provocative.  They can be sensible and sensitive and move it in the name of good taste and showing that they really do want to co-exist peacefully- even if they think the 70% of Americans who think this is a bad idea are a bunch of mamby pamby's.  Sometimes you just have to back off and say: "This apparently wasn't a great idea.  Plan B time"

[Townsend]

I don't think we can deny choosing this spot is provocative.  They can be sensible and sensitive and move it in the name of good taste and showing that they really do want to co-exist peacefully- even if they think the 70% of Americans who think this is a bad idea are a bunch of mamby pamby's.  Sometimes you just have to back off and say: "This apparently wasn't a great idea.  Plan B time"

Then the next time someone will make them do it for a lesser situation and so on.

Do you remember the lady releasing the doves at Michael Jackson's trial?  She released one for every "innocent" verdict.

Every time I hear someone making this a big deal, I picture her.

[guido911]

Why is it emotionally charged?  Because we're told it is.

You really believe that this nation is nothing but a collection of rubes and sheep that just can't think for themselves. We are incapable of independent thought, we are incapable of researching an issue, and apparently we are incapable of reaching a reasoned conclusion.

[Townsend]

You really believe that this nation is nothing but a collection of rubes and sheep that just can't think for themselves. We are incapable of independent thought, we are incapable of researching an issue, and apparently we are incapable of reaching a reasoned conclusion.

We're capable.  In many cases, we just choose not to.

I'm guilty of listening to the tv people too.

You just listen to ones with different opinions.

[Hoss]

What I know for a fact is this:

The 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the US allows for religious freedom for ALL US citizens.

We've spent 8 pages discussing something that should really be a non-issue in favor of things that should be HUGE issues.

* Skyrocketing debt.
* Double-digit unemployment
* Healthcare

Both sides are guilty, as is the MSM, of pushing this to the breaking point.

Mayor Bloomberg's comments on AUGUST 3rd (that's over two weeks ago, people) should really have been where the discussion stopped.

IMO.