The New Mosque

[Conan71]

What I know for a fact is this:

The 1st Amendment to the Constitution of the US allows for religious freedom for ALL US citizens.

We've spent 8 pages discussing something that should really be a non-issue in favor of things that should be HUGE issues.

* Skyrocketing debt.
* Double-digit unemployment
* Healthcare

We already discussed those things.  We are bored.

[custosnox]

Just because your knickers nor mine are in a twist on it doesn't mean millions of others aren't in an uproar.  Whether it's through a misinformation campaign, factual evidence, or long-held paradigms.  It's not up to me to discount or try to invalidate someone else's feelings on the issue.  

I don't think we can deny choosing this spot is provocative.  They can be sensible and sensitive and move it in the name of good taste and showing that they really do want to co-exist peacefully- even if they think the 70% of Americans who think this is a bad idea are a bunch of mamby pamby's.  Sometimes you just have to back off and say: "This apparently wasn't a great idea.  Plan B time"

And Rosa Parks could have been sensible and moved to that back of the bus...

[Hoss]

We already discussed those things.  We are bored.

Point taken.

But I'm bored with THIS subject.

So....

[guido911]

Terrific, the left wants GWB to weigh in now:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Mosque-supporters-beg-George-W-Bush-to-come-to-Obamas-rescue-100977179.html

As an aside, is anyone else as curious as I am about all of this contrived "freedom of religion" advocacy out there on the left? Since when did they start giving a sh!t about religious freedom?

[Townsend]

Terrific, the left wants GWB to weigh in now:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Mosque-supporters-beg-George-W-Bush-to-come-to-Obamas-rescue-100977179.html

As an aside, is anyone else as curious as I am about all of this contrived "freedom of religion" advocacy out there on the left? Since when did they start giving a sh!t about religious freedom?

Woops, you're letting the doves out.

I understand you like doing this kind of thing but trying to push that conversation?

[Conan71]

Terrific, the left wants GWB to weigh in now:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/Mosque-supporters-beg-George-W-Bush-to-come-to-Obamas-rescue-100977179.html

As an aside, is anyone else as curious as I am about all of this contrived "freedom of religion" advocacy out there on the left? Since when did they start giving a sh!t about religious freedom?

You are free to practice any religion you like so long as it's not Christianity.

[Townsend]

You are free to practice any religion you like so long as it's not Christianity.

Where'd you get that?

[Conan71]

Where'd you get that?

I pulled that on FOTD some time back...

[guido911]

Woops, you're letting the doves out.

I understand you like doing this kind of thing but trying to push that conversation?

My point was missed. This is not, nor has it been, a religion issue. It's being made so by the left to deflect attention away from the real issue: the insensitivity of those wanting to build the mosque right there to those who suffered on 9/11. Period.

[custosnox]

My point was missed. This is not, nor has it been, a religion issue. It's being made so by the left to deflect attention away from the real issue: the insensitivity of those wanting to build the mosque right there to those who suffered on 9/11. Period.

Would it be insensitive for christians to build a church a few blocks from ground zero, despite the fact that muslims died in the attack?

[Gaspar]

* Skyrocketing debt.
* Double-digit unemployment
* Healthcare

Agreed!

Interesting how the issues that were paramount campaign issues two years ago, have now gone critical.  In a little over 18 months, we have "skyrocketed" an already unsustainable debt, increased unemployment, and made healthcare some expensive weird nebulous concept that businesses are trying desperately to understand.

We got CHANGE, and change is about all we have left.

[Conan71]

Would it be insensitive for christians to build a church a few blocks from ground zero, despite the fact that muslims died in the attack?

Christian extremists were not at the controls of those planes though I'm sure there would be a smile storm for erecting a cross at ground zero.

[swake]

You really believe that this nation is nothing but a collection of rubes and sheep that just can't think for themselves. We are incapable of independent thought, we are incapable of researching an issue, and apparently we are incapable of reaching a reasoned conclusion.

Do we really need to do this again? Americans often are stupid and uninformed. We have one of the lowest average IQs in the developed world. Most American's don't believe in evolution, but do believe in Ghosts, almost 1 in 4 claims to have SEEN a ghost. 18% think the sun revolves around the Earth. Almost half believe in young earth creationism. One fourth of Americans are "birthers" and think Obama was born overseas, 18% think he's the Anti-Christ.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/3742/New-Poll-Gauges-Americans-General-Knowledge-Levels.aspx

And the people upset over the Mosque are people are not the sharpest tools in the drawer, actually, they are at other end of the spectrum. It's Fox News driving this, I just checked and the top six stories on Fox's site are ALL about the Mosque. And people who watch Fox News are the least informed audience of all news sources excepting people watching Hoda and Kathie Lee.

http://people-press.org/report/319/public-knowledge-of-current-affairs-little-changed-by-news-and-information-revolutions

[custosnox]

Christian extremists were not at the controls of those planes though I'm sure there would be a smile storm for erecting a cross at ground zero.

And extremists do not represent the majority of a religion.  If they did, Christianity would be in all kinds of trouble.  That's kind of like saying you should have a problem with anyone named mike because a guy named mike was a rapist.  And to point out, this is not at ground zero, it's on private property a few blocks away. 

[nathanm]

But a London-based Arabic-language newspaper that interviewed Abdul Rauf reported that he says he also will collect money from Muslim and Arab nations around the world -- raising the possibility his goodwill mission could help him build contacts in oil-rich states.

Don't believe everything you read in the Post. Or any other muckraking Murdoch paper.

And you know why the debt is skyrocketing? It ain't because of massive spending increases. It's because of massive revenue decreases.