The New Mosque

[Gaspar]

Interestingly enough there is now a movement forming of Islamic leaders across the country encouraging the developers of the GZ Mosque to move it to a different location.  The group has some local ties.

http://www.newson6.com/global/story.asp?s=13032103

[heironymouspasparagus]

Conan,
You made the point exactly.  Ground zero is sacred - at least to me and many who think like me it is - but this is not a discussion about sacred ground.  This is about bigotry and religious intolerance and strip joints and Amish Market.  This part of Manhattan is well separated from ground zero.  And populated already by a wide variety of different enterprises.

What the RWRE and the Murdochian propaganda machine is doing is not about sacred ground.

[guido911]

Conan,
You made the point exactly.  Ground zero is sacred - at least to me and many who think like me it is - but this is not a discussion about sacred ground.  This is about bigotry and religious intolerance and strip joints and Amish Market.  This part of Manhattan is well separated from ground zero.  And populated already by a wide variety of different enterprises.

What the RWRE and the Murdochian propaganda machine is doing is not about sacred ground.

Oh but this is not bigoted and intolerant (NSFW):

And then there's this gem (go to 3:45)

The old man dropping the f bomb conjures up images what some people in this forum look like.

[Townsend]

Oh but this is not bigoted and intolerant (NSFW):


And then there's this gem (go to 3:45)


The old man dropping the f bomb conjures up images what some people in this forum look like.

So someone stated they are not?  I've not watched.  I have no idea if they are or not.  I'm just asking you if someone has stated they are or are not bigoted and intolerant.

[custosnox]

Oh but this is not bigoted and intolerant (NSFW):

And then there's this gem (go to 3:45)

The old man dropping the f bomb conjures up images what some people in this forum look like.

soo, what your trying to say is because he is a holocost victim he is above reproach and when he attacks someone (verbally), and they attack back, and emotions get high and both sides are yelling, yet whoever dared to take a side opposite of him is lower than dirt? 

[Hoss]

soo, what your trying to say is because he is a holocost victim he is above reproach and when he attacks someone (verbally), and they attack back, and emotions get high and both sides are yelling, yet whoever dared to take a side opposite of him is lower than dirt? 

It's called 'Guido' logic.

[guido911]

soo, what your trying to say is because he is a holocost victim he is above reproach and when he attacks someone (verbally), and they attack back, and emotions get high and both sides are yelling, yet whoever dared to take a side opposite of him is lower than dirt? 

Soo, what you are saying is that you cannot freakin read what I posted, eh smart guy? Where did I say anything about anyone being lower than dirt. And what about the other video I posted where the guy went off on an anti-Jew rant. No smart@ss remarks about that one I noticed.

[custosnox]

Soo, what you are saying is that you cannot freakin read what I posted, eh smart guy? Where did I say anything about anyone being lower than dirt. And what about the other video I posted where the guy went off on an anti-Jew rant. No smart@ss remarks about that one I noticed.

heh, I figured you would bring up the second one.  To be honest, I couldn't even understand what he was saying, or really anyone on that video (kids had gotten home by that point).  So wasn't going to comment one way or another. In any case, you take two examples and paint the entire side of the debate with a very large brush.  Does this mean that everyone can post a video any time you take a stance on something and put it out there as an example of what you stand for when a lunatic is on some rant or another to support the same thing you support?

And as ar as you not saying he was lower than dirt, no you did not.  Kinda funny how it comes off as that is what your opinion would be.  Though I just love how you say he is a bigot because he argues with him.  Seemed that all of his name calling and yelling was about the guys stance on the issue. 

[nathanm]

Does this mean that everyone can post a video any time you take a stance on something and put it out there as an example of what you stand for when a lunatic is on some rant or another to support the same thing you support?

Of course not. It's not the same when people bomb and vandalize mosques (and proposed mosques), threaten or kill Muslims, or paint a broad brush calling them all terrorists or supporters of terrorism. No, those people are just lunatics who don't speak for the whole of the group sharing that opinion. But if you have a different opinion than guido does, anybody who shares your opinion is reflective of your position. If someone does something ridiculous, they're just a liberal representing all other liberals' thoughts.

[Gaspar]

Someone needs to tell the developers of the Community Center that it's just a "Community Center."  On the website for the "Community Center" Park51.org, they themselves use the term Mosque. 


While a mosque will be located in the planned final structure of Park51, it will be a distinct non-profit. Neither Park51 nor the mosque, which hasn't been named yet, will tolerate any kind of illegal or un-American activity or rhetoric.  The final size and location of the mosque have yet to be determined, but it will only represent a small portion of the final structure.



The Story: The Need For A Mosque in Lower Manhattan



We'd been looking for at least seven years to find a space to accommodate the growing population of Muslims in lower Manhattan. We had also been eager to contribute to the revitalization of lower Manhattan, in part because this is our area of business and also because as New Yorkers we wanted to give back to our city and help make it a better place to live.



Prior to purchasing our current facility at 45 Park Place, there were two mosques in lower Manhattan, although Park51 is not affiliated with either of these mosques.  One was Masjid al-Farah, which could fit a maximum of approximately 65 people, and had to hold three or four separate prayer services on Fridays just to fit the crowds.

The second mosque, at Warren Street, accommodated about 1,500 worshippers during Friday prayers - people had been praying on sidewalks because they had no room. They lost their space around May 2009. 



We made the move to buy 45 Park Place in July 2009 in part to offset the loss of this space. Currently, our space at 45 Park Place accommodates around 450 people every Friday. We are also easily accessible from many different parts of Manhattan, Brooklyn, and Staten Island, which was an important consideration.





That said, looking at the planned facilities, it looks like a very nice place.  As with all development (as we all know), what is proposed rarely reflects what is finally built. 

If it is built, I am curious as to what parts of the plan are realized.  I suppose that will be dictated by the funding being provided by the Saudi's and other Arab nations, as well as some domestic sources.

[Townsend]

Someone needs to tell the developers of the Community Center that it's just a "Community Center."  On the website for the "Community Center" Park51.org, they themselves use the term Mosque. 


If it is built, I am curious as to what parts of the plan are realized.  I suppose that will be dictated by the funding being provided by the Saudi's and other Arab nations, as well as some domestic sources.

Oh, there we go.  Obviously going to house terrorists.

[Conan71]

This is about bigotry and religious intolerance and strip joints and Amish Market.  This part of Manhattan is well separated from ground zero.  And populated already by a wide variety of different enterprises.

What the RWRE and the Murdochian propaganda machine is doing is not about sacred ground.

You have totally lost it....

[Gaspar]

Oh, there we go.  Obviously going to house terrorists.

Why do you think that?

[Townsend]

Why do you think that?

A mosque?  Built by the Saudi's and other Arab nations?  You insinuated it yourself.  C'mon man, don't back down now.

[Gaspar]

A mosque?  Built by the Saudi's and other Arab nations?  You insinuated it yourself.  C'mon man, don't back down now.

Hey!  Not all Saudi's are terrorists!  Not all Arabs are terrorists! 

I mentioned it because Imam Rauf himself has discussed who is providing funding.  Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has provided the much of the funding to him, giving hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Also the Saudi "Kingdom Foundation" . . .and as Rauf mentioned he is seeking funding from "other Muslem nations" which I assume are likely Arab nations.

Just because you automatically associate Saudi Arabia with terrorism does not insinuate a connection.

I seriously doubt he would accept funds from Terrorists do you?