The New Mosque

[Hoss]

Hey!  Not all Saudi's are terrorists!  Not all Arabs are terrorists!  

I mentioned it because Imam Rauf himself has discussed who is providing funding.  Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has provided the much of the funding to him, giving hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Also the Saudi "Kingdom Foundation" . . .and as Rauf mentioned he is seeking funding from "other Muslem nations" which I assume are likely Arab nations.

Just because you automatically associate Saudi Arabia with terrorism does not insinuate a connection.

I seriously doubt he would accept funds from Terrorists do you?

Especially since bin Talal is the largest minority shareholder in ...... wait for it now..... NewsCorp.

So, in FNC's opinion, does that mean the Fox News, by proxy of bin Talal, is funding terrorism?

Quagmire?

[Townsend]

Hey!  Not all Saudi's are terrorists!  Not all Arabs are terrorists! 

I mentioned it because Imam Rauf himself has discussed who is providing funding.  Saudi Prince Al-Waleed bin Talal has provided the much of the funding to him, giving hundreds of thousands of dollars.  Also the Saudi "Kingdom Foundation" . . .and as Rauf mentioned he is seeking funding from "other Muslem nations" which I assume are likely Arab nations.

Just because you automatically associate Saudi Arabia with terrorism does not insinuate a connection.

I seriously doubt he would accept funds from Terrorists do you?

Good job.  Now we can stop postings that insinuate bad things happening when it's referred to as a mosque or when the money comes from the middle east.

[dbacks fan]

Oh but this is not bigoted and intolerant (NSFW):

And then there's this gem (go to 3:45)

The old man dropping the f bomb conjures up images what some people in this forum look like.

At least I can spell Hallowed properly. And don't associate me with the old man. Not even close.

[Gaspar]

Especially since bin Talal is the largest minority shareholder in ...... wait for it now..... NewsCorp.

So, in FNC's opinion, does that mean the Fox News, by proxy of bin Talal, is funding terrorism?

Quagmire?

Why are you guys continuing to assert that just because someone is Saudi, they are a terrorist?

[Townsend]

Why are you guys continuing to assert that just because someone is Saudi, they are a terrorist?

You got this party started.

I suppose that will be dictated by the funding being provided by the Saudi's and other Arab nations

Now why would someone with your viewpoints and fox news mentality bring that up?

Why not just say "dictated by funding"?

[Gaspar]

You got this party started.

Now why would someone with your viewpoints and fox news mentality bring that up?

Why not just say "dictated by funding"?

Wow!  What are my viewpoints?  I am not a big Fox fan, I usually watch CBS in the evening and Fox in the morning.  CNBC at the office, cause I like their website.  I also like and subscribe to WSJ.

As for my comment in context:

I am curious as to what parts of the plan are realized.  I suppose that will be dictated by the funding being provided by the Saudi's and other Arab nations, as well as some domestic sources.

It was based on 6 years of experience marketing large development projects.  The funding ultimately dictates the design and final offering, no matter what the original developer presents.

I seem to have struck a chord and I'm not sure why.

[heironymouspasparagus]

If going to discuss funding at all, then why not discuss the entire funding chain??  It is a gross lie of exclusion to stop with Saudi Arabia as funding terrorism.  Two major threads extend from that source - one a further funding path where they (specifically the Bin Laden family companies) have put over $1 billion into the hands of the Bush family companies (consulting fees??) over the last 50 years or so.

The backwards thread that really counts is the fact that the Saudi's wouldn't have squat if it weren't for BP and the US and western Europe paying all that money for some oil.  So the end point in this little funding commentary is that WE are funding terrorism against ourselves.

You know that Bin Laden has gotta be laughin' his donkey off about that...

Ironic, huh?

[nathanm]

I seem to have struck a chord and I'm not sure why.

I think it had to do with the implied assumption that only predominately Arab nations and people residing in them will provide funding for Park51. If you've been watching Fox lately, you'll have noticed that they've been harping on eeevul ay-rab funding for the "ground zero mosque" and doing their best to promote folks claiming that the money is coming from terrorists and/or people who fund terrorism. They have even gone so far as to specifically claim that bin Talal's Kingdom Foundation, which they assume will be providing some of the funds, has links to terrorism. They repeatedly fail to mention bin Talal's connection to the Kingdom Foundation or make the disclosure that he is the second largest shareholder in News Corporation, as most journalists would. (or maybe they just used to, but I know I've seen such disclosures in the past on other networks)

[Gaspar]

I am amazed that that we only alluded to the fact that Alwaleed bin Talal who is offering the primary funding for this Mosque is also Rupert Murdoch's partner in Fox News (good job Hoss, but you didn't take it far enough).

Why would an organization spend millions of dollars in broadcast time rallying the troops against this development, and at the same time fund it? 

Could it be a trap?  Could it be a distraction?
Have they gotten us fiddling while Rome burns?

Pelosi has demanded to know where the funding comes from.  Perhaps she has found her golden egg.
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-august-23-2010/the-parent-company-trap?xrs=share_fb

[heironymouspasparagus]

So if building the mosque is an affront and insult, then the Glenn Beck event this weekend must be exactly the same type of affront and insult, since he has very carefully orchestrated it to be on the anniversary of Dr. King's speech in exactly the same place with the backdrop of Beck's efforts and comments against civil rights. 

But it will be non-political.  And to prove it, Sarah Palin will be the keynote speaker!

There may be some good come of this.  Beck-ies say they expect 300,000+.  Bill O'Reilly says he will quit his show if more than 100,000 show up.  The best of all worlds would be for 101,000 to show up.  Then Beck would be a failure and the world would be rid of Bill O'Reilly!  Unless Bill was lying - again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20100826/cm_theweek/206445

[Gaspar]

So if building the mosque is an affront and insult, then the Glenn Beck event this weekend must be exactly the same type of affront and insult, since he has very carefully orchestrated it to be on the anniversary of Dr. King's speech in exactly the same place with the backdrop of Beck's efforts and comments against civil rights. 

But it will be non-political.  And to prove it, Sarah Palin will be the keynote speaker!

There may be some good come of this.  Beck-ies say they expect 300,000+.  Bill O'Reilly says he will quit his show if more than 100,000 show up.  The best of all worlds would be for 101,000 to show up.  Then Beck would be a failure and the world would be rid of Bill O'Reilly!  Unless Bill was lying - again.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/theweek/20100826/cm_theweek/206445

Interesting article.  It did neglect to mention that Dr. King's family not only supports the event, but Dr. Alveda King will be a speaker and guest of honor. I guess that's a bit of a thorn to the liberal media, so no need to report it.

When I join Beck and all gathered at the Lincoln Memorial this weekend, I will talk about my Uncle Martin and the America he envisioned. I will talk about honor and character and sacrifice. I will be joined by those who represent the diversity of the human race.

On Saturday, Uncle Martin's dream of personhood and human dignity will resound across America. And the Park Police should consider themselves forewarned: As we stand in the symbolic shadow of the great American who signed the Emancipation Proclamation, we just might sing.

Dr. Alveda King

[swake]

Interesting article.  It did neglect to mention that Dr. King's family not only supports the event, but Dr. Alveda King will be a speaker and guest of honor. I guess that's a bit of a thorn to the liberal media, so no need to report it.

When I join Beck and all gathered at the Lincoln Memorial this weekend, I will talk about my Uncle Martin and the America he envisioned. I will talk about honor and character and sacrifice. I will be joined by those who represent the diversity of the human race.

On Saturday, Uncle Martin's dream of personhood and human dignity will resound across America. And the Park Police should consider themselves forewarned: As we stand in the symbolic shadow of the great American who signed the Emancipation Proclamation, we just might sing.

Dr. Alveda King

That just a plain lie.

No, the family does not support Beck, one random Pro Life activist niece does:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/24/AR2010082405003.html

Story by Martin Luther King III,

Forty-seven years ago this weekend, on a sweltering August day often remembered simply as the March on Washington, my father delivered his "I Have a Dream" speech at the Lincoln Memorial. A memorial to him is being erected at the Tidal Basin, not far from where he shared his vision of a nation united in justice, equality and brotherhood.

This weekend Glenn Beck is to host a "Restoring Honor" rally at the Lincoln Memorial. While it is commendable that this rally will honor the brave men and women of our armed forces, who serve our country with phenomenal dedication, it is clear from the timing and location that the rally's organizers present this event as also honoring the ideals and contributions of Martin Luther King Jr.

I would like to be clear about what those ideals are.

Vast numbers of Americans know of my father's leadership in opposing segregation. Yet too many believe that his dream was limited to achieving racial equality. Certainly he sought that objective, but his vision was about more than expanding rights for a single race. He hoped that even in the direst circumstances, we could overcome our differences and replace bitter conflicts with greater understanding, reconciliation and cooperation.

My father championed free speech. He would be the first to say that those participating in Beck's rally have the right to express their views. But his dream rejected hateful rhetoric and all forms of bigotry or discrimination, whether directed at race, faith, nationality, sexual orientation or political beliefs. He envisioned a world where all people would recognize one another as sisters and brothers in the human family. Throughout his life he advocated compassion for the poor, nonviolence, respect for the dignity of all people and peace for humanity.

Although he was a profoundly religious man, my father did not claim to have an exclusionary "plan" that laid out God's word for only one group or ideology. He marched side by side with members of every religious faith. Like Abraham Lincoln, my father did not claim that God was on his side; he prayed humbly that he was on God's side.

He did, however, wholeheartedly embrace the "social gospel." His spiritual and intellectual mentors included the great theologians of the social gospel Walter Rauschenbush and Howard Thurman. He said that any religion that is not concerned about the poor and disadvantaged, "the slums that damn them, the economic conditions that strangle them and the social conditions that cripple them[,] is a spiritually moribund religion awaiting burial." In his "Dream" speech, my father paraphrased the prophet Amos, saying, "We will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream."

The title of the 1963 demonstration, "The Great March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom," reflected his belief that the right to sit at a lunch counter would be hollow if African Americans could not afford the meal. The need for jobs and shared economic prosperity remains as urgent and compelling as it was 47 years ago. My father's vision would include putting millions of unemployed Americans to work, rebuilding our tattered infrastructure and reforms to reduce pollution and better care for the environment.

In my efforts to help realize my father's dream, supporting justice, freedom and human rights for all people, I have conducted nonviolence workshops and outreach in communities across this country and numerous other nations. My experiences affirm the enduring truth of my father's words: that "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere" and that "we are all bound together in a single garment of destiny."

I pray that all Americans will embrace the challenge of social justice and the unifying spirit that my father shared with his compatriots. With this commitment, we can begin to find new ways to reach out to one another, to heal our divisions, and build bridges of hope and opportunity benefiting all people. In so doing, we will not merely be seeking the dream; we will at long last be living it.

[Gaspar]

That just a plain lie.

No, the family does not support Beck, one random Pro Life activist niece does:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/08/24/AR2010082405003.html

Story by Martin Luther King III,

I'm not sure where the part is that says Martin Luther King III is against this??

He simply makes a very eloquent statement about Dr. Kings beliefs that I think everyone can agree with.

[heironymouspasparagus]

So we will have to wait and see how Beck does with it.  Any bets??

Do you think maybe he is looking at the success of the Freedom Alliance and may be wanting to get his own 'gravy train' started?

None of these people are anywhere near the stature of Ghandi, ML King, or Billy Graham.  And yet, the RWRE have made rock stars of them.  Not just strange, but bizarre.

[swake]

I'm not sure where the part is that says Martin Luther King III is against this??

He simply makes a very eloquent statement about Dr. Kings beliefs that I think everyone can agree with.

Did you read this?

My father championed free speech. He would be the first to say that those participating in Beck's rally have the right to express their views. But his dream rejected hateful rhetoric and all forms of bigotry or discrimination, whether directed at race, faith, nationality, sexual orientation or political beliefs. He envisioned a world where all people would recognize one another as sisters and brothers in the human family. Throughout his life he advocated compassion for the poor, nonviolence, respect for the dignity of all people and peace for humanity.

Although he was a profoundly religious man, my father did not claim to have an exclusionary "plan" that laid out God's word for only one group or ideology. He marched side by side with members of every religious faith. Like Abraham Lincoln, my father did not claim that God was on his side; he prayed humbly that he was on God's side.

He did, however, wholeheartedly embrace the "social gospel." His spiritual and intellectual mentors included the great theologians of the social gospel Walter Rauschenbush and Howard Thurman. He said that any religion that is not concerned about the poor and disadvantaged, "the slums that damn them, the economic conditions that strangle them and the social conditions that cripple them[,] is a spiritually moribund religion awaiting burial." In his "Dream" speech, my father paraphrased the prophet Amos, saying, "We will not be satisfied until justice rolls down like waters and righteousness like a mighty stream."