Hey, It's His First Amendment Right...Right?

[guido911]

The biggest similarities between Park51 and this Koran burning is that the flap against building a community center with a mosque in it a couple of blocks away from ground zero and the intent behind the book burning are from the same "All of Islam is evil" crowd.  It reeks of intolerance to a religion other than Christianity.  After all, it seems the so many in this country follow Ford's ideas: "You can have any religion you want, as long as it's christian".

Oh jeez, here we go again. Those mean ol' Christians running amok. Allahu Jehovah!

[Conan71]

If I were Reverend Jones, I think I'd be pretty leary of any Middle Eastern-looking people.

I heard on the radio his congregation only numbers 50 people, so this is a major self-promotion stunt.  As one of my FB friends was saying, just watch this idiot will be rewarded with his own reality series.  I can see it now:
"Keeping Up With The (Rev) Joneses"

/ghack

[custosnox]

Oh jeez, here we go again. Those mean ol' Christians running amok. Allahu Jehovah!

Oh, I gotcha, burning Korans is a sign of love and acceptance.  I must have missed that memo.

[nathanm]

Oh jeez, here we go again. Those mean ol' Christians running amok. Allahu Jehovah!

Some Christians do run amok from time to time, using tax dollars to promote their religion or force their particular brand of morality on people. Happily, there is less of that these days than there was even ten years ago.

[Ed W]

He has the right to be a dick under the First Amendment just as Fr@d Ph@lps has the same right.  But there's another concern here.

The local fire department denied him a burn permit, and to my way of thinking, that would abridge his First Amendment rights.

The local police department plans to do a documents check on anyone approaching the church, which is located at the end of a single street and it's the only way in or out.  "Papers, please" is - or should be - anathema to Americans.

[nathanm]

The local fire department denied him a burn permit, and to my way of thinking, that would abridge his First Amendment rights.

The local police department plans to do a documents check on anyone approaching the church, which is located at the end of a single street and it's the only way in or out.  "Papers, please" is - or should be - anathema to Americans.

One of those is not like the other.

A lot of folks seem to be quite OK with the "papers please" thing lately. (which I find very disturbing)

[guido911]

Oh, I gotcha, burning Korans is a sign of love and acceptance.  I must have missed that memo.

That's not remotely the point I was making. I am just tired of your endless Christian bashing. Interesting, though, I guessed you missed the memo that Christians/Catholics are huge givers to charities. Perhaps that because you were a patient at Muhammad General Hospital or studying at Akbar University rather than St. Francis Hospital or Notre Dame.

[Conan71]

One of those is not like the other.

A lot of folks seem to be quite OK with the "papers please" thing lately. (which I find very disturbing)

Why do you find that disturbing? I have to show them when I check in at the airport, entering another country or returning to this country and they can demand to see my documents at any time I'm a guest in another country, during lawful contact with police (i.e. stopped for speeding), when I cash a check or request money back from a deposit... etc.

[custosnox]

That's not remotely the point I was making. I am just tired of your endless Christian bashing. Interesting, though, I guessed you missed the memo that Christians/Catholics are huge givers to charities. Perhaps that because you were a patient at Muhammad General Hospital or studying at Akbar University rather than St. Francis Hospital or Notre Dame.

How is is endless christian bashing when I point out what is said or done?  I said it seems so many have that attitude, I didn't say all did.  I'm not painting with a broad brush, I'm pointing out that it is a strong setiment in many of the people in this country, and beyond. 

[Hoss]

And of course now the funny thing is that so many people have come out against what this a$$hat is doing (Gen Petraeus, Gen Odierno to name a couple) using the reasoning that the imagery of burning these Korans will create danger for our troops overseas.  But many of those with the (R) following their names stop just short of condemning it...mainly.  Couldn't get a yes or no out of Boehner the Tanned and many others.  Of course then he who smells of burnt toast tried to equivocate the two (Koran burning vs the Park51 project) after the concerns of the military were interjected into the conversation.

It can't be both ways.

[dbacks fan]

This person has a very checkered past, and by some accounts he was kicked out of Germany in 2008.

His new church is supported by a for profit company owned by the church, that resales furniture imported from Europe, and his followers are employees of the company and recieve no pay, but are provided housing by the church for their work to resale furniture. Jim Jones? Terry Jones? Coincedence?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-07/terry-jones-pastor-who-want-to-burn-qurans/

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20090719/ARTICLES/907191005

I think that he is a looney looking for attention to his own cause, and apperently in the Muslim world they take him to represent the US.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/americas/2010/09/201098185822713338.html

[nathanm]

Why do you find that disturbing? I have to show them when I check in at the airport, entering another country or returning to this country and they can demand to see my documents at any time I'm a guest in another country, during lawful contact with police (i.e. stopped for speeding), when I cash a check or request money back from a deposit... etc.

And if you're walking down the street doing nothing illegal whatsoever.

When you're in another country, you do as the locals do. Here in the US, I would think we'd be above having to carry ID on our person at all times.

[Conan71]

And if you're walking down the street doing nothing illegal whatsoever.

When you're in another country, you do as the locals do. Here in the US, I would think we'd be above having to carry ID on our person at all times.

Far as I know you don't have to carry an ID all the time when you are walking down the road.

I'm curious though, why do we want to have lower standards than other countries when it comes to issues like, say, immigration?  Why don't we expect our visitors to do "as the locals do"?  Other countries have requirements you can sustain yourself financially prior to taking up residence and do a better job of tracking people on travel visas. 

[nathanm]

Far as I know you don't have to carry an ID all the time when you are walking down the road.

Other countries have requirements you can sustain yourself financially prior to taking up residence and do a better job of tracking people on travel visas. 

Several states have stop and identify laws that require that you carry ID at all times. The Supreme Court upheld the Nevada version a few years back. It made me sad. Previously, the prevailing legal opinion was that you had to identify yourself by name when asked, but were not necessarily required to carry ID.

We also require that an immigrant be able to sustain themselves financially to get a tourist visa here, much less a residence visa. Unless they have a lot of financial resources, an immigrant also requires a sponsor who agrees to be financially responsible for them until they get a green card. We're actually far stricter than most countries with regard to immigration policies, although as you've pointed out, enforcement once an immigrant is here is relatively lax. (although the bureaucracy is equally as byzantine, if not as arbitrary)

[Conan71]

It still doesn't bother me if I'm asked for identification.  I'm not a chronic law breaker so I really don't understand why law-abiding citizens and immigrants would really care. 

Far as I know every state requires you to be in possession of a driver's license at all times when operating a motor vehicle.  How do you feel about police sobriety check-points?  Drivers are all asked for identification and are often cited for offenses unrelated to drunk driving.