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Hey, It's His First Amendment Right...Right?

Started by Conan71, September 08, 2010, 10:02:43 AM

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Gaspar

Oh great!  The Westboro Baptist nuts are going to burn a Quran if the Florida preacher doesn't. 

Looks like a Quran is going to get burnt either way on 9/11.  How many more of our proud congregations are going to step up and pledge to BBQ Allah on 9/11 for a little publicity?

In the past, the ACLU has rushed to defend Westboro's utterly disgracefull actions and slogans preying for the death of gays, soldiers, and anyone else they don't like.

Where is the ACLU to defend their rights to burn Qurans?  Crickets. . .

We know if they were burning Bibles, or pictures of soldiers, the ACLU would be on the front line for them.

This controversy, no matter how ugly, seems to be opening eyes.

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on September 10, 2010, 07:44:51 AM


This controversy, no matter how ugly, seems to be opening eyes.




Amazing how mass stupidity and an election year will do that.

Cats Cats Cats

Quote from: Gaspar on September 10, 2010, 07:44:51 AM
Where is the ACLU to defend their rights to burn Qurans?  Crickets. . .

Nobody is saying they can't do it.  Just saying it might not be a good idea to give recruiting material for terrorists.

we vs us

Quote from: Gaspar on September 10, 2010, 07:44:51 AM

Where is the ACLU to defend their rights to burn Qurans?  Crickets. . .


There's no legal challenge to that right.  If there were, I'd expect the ACLU to be right up there defending it.

guido911

Video of guy burning Koran at Ground Zero today.


Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

custosnox

Quote from: guido911 on September 11, 2010, 02:43:49 PM
Video of guy burning Koran at Ground Zero today.



Seems to me he was just seeking attention.  I wonder if they actually charged him with something or not, or what their reason for removing him was.  Unless he was in danger of inciting a riot (which is possible at that point) I don't think NYPD should have been involved, other then actually protecting him from physical harm.  Still, he doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the pack, just saying.

guido911

The religion of peace is at it again; here comes the fatwas against Koran burners:

QuoteSept. 13 (Bloomberg) -- Two Iranian grand ayatollahs issued fatwas calling for the killing of those who insult the Koran, including anyone who burns the Islamic holy book, the state-run Fars news agency reported.

No one was specified in the decrees, which were issued by Nasser Makarem-Shirazi and Hossein Nouri-Hamedani in response to questions asked by student groups from universities in Tehran, Fars said. Such an action against any individual could only be carried out with the authorization of an Islamic religious judge, they said.

"Undoubtedly, the blood of a person who burns the Koran should be shed," Makarem-Shirazi was cited by Fars as saying. Everybody should "strongly condemn" such an act.

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-09-13/iran-ayatollahs-issue-fatwas-against-koran-burners.html

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Look, it's the Iranian counterparts of Terry Jones, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson!
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on September 13, 2010, 01:16:02 PM
Look, it's the Iranian counterparts of Terry Jones, Jerry Falwell, and Pat Robertson!

What freakin ever.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on September 13, 2010, 01:22:53 PM
What freakin ever.
OK, you got me. They're more like Fred Phelps.

The point being that all religions have adherents who do shameful things. I know you'd never paint Christians with the same broad brush you use on Muslims, but that's your hang up, not mine.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on September 13, 2010, 01:27:09 PM
OK, you got me. They're more like Fred Phelps.

The point being that all religions have adherents who do shameful things. I know you'd never paint Christians with the same broad brush you use on Muslims, but that's your hang up, not mine.

We know you WOULD paint Christians with the broad brush.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on September 13, 2010, 01:38:20 PM
We know you WOULD paint Christians with the broad brush.

You make that claim, yet I specifically direct my comments at the loony fringes of Christianity (or any other religion). As long as tax dollars aren't being spent on their religion, I don't care one way or another what they do. That doesn't mean I won't point and laugh at the particularly stupid things that get said by the fundamentalists.

My brush is equally broad regardless of who is on the receiving end. Yours, on the other hand, seems to vary in size. You refuse to acknowledge the crazy in your own house while going after the crazy in everyone else's.

I seem to remember learning an old saying about glass houses and stones in sunday school when I was a kid. That's been a long time ago now, so the details are fuzzy. I'm sure you can figure out what I'm referring to.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on September 13, 2010, 01:43:26 PM
You make that claim, yet I specifically direct my comments at the loony fringes of Christianity (or any other religion). As long as tax dollars aren't being spent on their religion, I don't care one way or another what they do. That doesn't mean I won't point and laugh at the particularly stupid things that get said by the fundamentalists.

My brush is equally broad regardless of who is on the receiving end. Yours, on the other hand, seems to vary in size. You refuse to acknowledge the crazy in your own house while going after the crazy in everyone else's.

I seem to remember learning an old saying about glass houses and stones in sunday school when I was a kid. That's been a long time ago now, so the details are fuzzy. I'm sure you can figure out what I'm referring to.

I know there are nutjobs in protestant/Catholic religions. My problem is that I cannot recall those folks flying jetliners into buildings and incinerating people or cutting the heads off of news reporters. And by the way, equating the small timer Fred Phelps (what's the size of his "congregation"?) who enjoys most likely universal disdain, to two grand ayatollahs that are part of the ruling Shiite government is straight up laughable. Now, if Pope Benedict starts calling for the deaths of those burning Bibles, we can talk.  
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Conan71

Quote from: guido911 on September 13, 2010, 02:00:47 PM
I know there are nutjobs in protestant/Catholic religions. My problem is that I cannot recall those folks flying jetliners into buildings and incinerating people or cutting the heads off of news reporters. And by the way, equating the small timer Fred Phelps (what's the size of his "congregation"?) who enjoys most likely universal disdain, to two grand ayatollahs that are part of the ruling Shiite government is straight up laughable. Now, if Pope Benedict starts calling for the deaths of those burning Bibles, we can talk.  

Now you are forgetting that whole crusades thing there buddy, that's relevant in this day and age  ::)
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

guido911

Quote from: Conan71 on September 13, 2010, 03:12:02 PM
Now you are forgetting that whole crusades thing there buddy, that's relevant in this day and age  ::)

I love it when I read moronic comparisons of the current Islamic Fundamentalist atrocities to the Crusades (what, 700-800 years ago) and the Spanish Inquisition (unsure how many centuries ago that was). Hell, let's throw in the Salem witch trials (400 years ago) while we are at it. I guess what those folks are saying is the modern Islam is what, 500 years behind the rest of humankind?  I wonder why that position isn't considered a bigoted/intolerant towards Islam?
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.