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Voting for democrats will help Oklahoma's economy

Started by RecycleMichael, September 27, 2010, 09:12:06 AM

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Quote from: Conan71 on September 29, 2010, 01:16:26 PM
I'd say we are pretty much in agreement on fiscal issues.  I really don't see tax cuts as being a catalyst for job creation, though in theory if all people have more disposable income, it stands to reason they can consume more.  If business owners say tax cuts are what they want and they will create jobs then call their bluff and do it.  If there's no substantive growth in a certain amount of time, raise taxes again.  More or less what the idea is behind a two year extension on the Bush tax cuts.

Myself and others have said as well that "terrorist" is over-used on other discussions in the past.  I took her statement along the lines of the ridiculous notion of wanting to try terrorists in criminal courts of law.  As I recall, didn't President Obama actually ratchet up the warrantless tapping?  I don't get in too much of a twist over that as I'm law-abiding and would be of zero interest to the feds.  I believe as much as the next person in a right to privacy.  However, I would assume the only people who are getting tapped are those they have on intel lists.  So, I'm not too terribly concerned about how the government gains intelligence which might prevent another 9/11.  I'm of the opinion that people aren't randomly put on lists and eavesdropped on.  There's generally a good reason the spooks are tuned in.

People are randomly put on the no fly list.  I don't know why people wouldn't randomly get listened to.  Seriously, if it is actually important, get a wire tap.  They can go after they listen and get a warrant.  At least then there is a paper trail.  My issue is, what happens when you have the government wiretapping and destroying good presidential candidates?  They wiretapped MLK Jr to try to find something to use against him.  The whole concept that if the government has a power they are going to abuse it.  I at least thought, was supposed to be the major reason that we wanted to limit the government's power and bring it back.  Many republicans have the "i am not doing anything wrong".  Thats not the way the constitution works.  I don't break any major laws so I won't be deemed a terrorist.  All it takes is a few papers signed it doesn't take a reason.  You just have to piss off the wrong person (speaking out against the government).  Is Obama gong to do this?  No.  Was Bush?  No... Is somebody in 50 years?  No clue, but why even give them the chance to abuse it.  

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Quote from: RecycleMichael on September 29, 2010, 01:35:17 PM
Now Trogdor is on the list.

Well luckily Michael, since there are no warrants there is no actual "list". 

RecycleMichael

Remind me to video when the gubmint takes down Trogdor.
Power is nothing till you use it.