Krystal Ball

[Cats Cats Cats]

Lets use the Translator


I dabbled into witchcraft   - I actively participated in witchcraft
I never joined a coven      - I didn't get serious enough to join a Coven
But I did, I did. I dabbled into witchcraft.  - No, really, I know what you are thinking Grizzle, but I did dabble into witchcraft
I hung around people who were doing these things.  -I had friends who were witches
I'm not making this stuff up. -No seriously Grizzle how more clear do I have to be, this isn't a joke.
I know what they told me they do  - ?

So "EVERYTHING ELSE SHE SAID" condtradicts that, is only the last sentence.  Which you interpret as, since she uses the word They, means that she wasn't talking about herself and excluding her.  Which based on how she insists that this did in fact happen.  I find it hard to believe.

Which, she would have said.  "I hung around people who were doing these things, but I never dabbled into witchcraft or joined a coven or anything like that" 

[Cats Cats Cats]

Again, yes she said she "dabbled" and then EVERYTHING ELSE SHE SAID contradicts that.

Imagine if she had mentioned "my muslim faith"

Muslim isn't exactly the same thing.  Have you not seen snow white with the apples!  she will give out poison apples for all if she is elected.  And Prince will have to sign purple rain to wake us up.

[Conan71]

Muslim isn't exactly the same thing.  Have you not seen snow white with the apples!  she will give out poison apples for all if she is elected.  And Prince will have to sign purple rain to wake us up.

Especially if said Muslim were a Democrat.

Back to the OP:

Let's face it, if Krystal Ball were running as a Republican the photos would be a huge scandal.

[Cats Cats Cats]

Especially if said Muslim were a Democrat.

Back to the OP:

Let's face it, if Krystal Ball were running as a Republican the photos would be a huge scandal.

Maybe to Republican's, to me it depends on where she would be running.  If O'donnell had them?  Yes probably, given her stance on anything to do with sex.  Has this candidate run on anti-sex?  I would think probably not.  Its not that these people are "Republican's" so they can't do this stuff.  Its because the Republican's are the epitomy of morality and everybody else is a Godless heathen.  So when you have your anti-gay law introducing senator or congressman who gets caught in the Men's bathroom.  It is a story, just because of how two faced they are.


The pictures aren't working.. Somebody link new ones!

[Townsend]

Let's face it, if Krystal Ball were running as a Republican the photos would be a huge scandal.

Only because she would've said that dressing up for a party and allowing photos to be taken was against Jesus.

[guido911]

Maybe to Republican's, to me it depends on where she would be running.  If O'donnell had them?  Yes probably, given her stance on anything to do with sex.  Has this candidate run on anti-sex?  I would think probably not.  Its not that these people are "Republican's" so they can't do this stuff.  Its because the Republican's are the epitomy of morality and everybody else is a Godless heathen.  So when you have your anti-gay law introducing senator or congressman who gets caught in the Men's bathroom.  It is a story, just because of how two faced they are.


The pictures aren't working.. Somebody link new ones!

And because dems are not the epitomy of morality, nor pretend to be, folks like trog find it completely acceptable that Rep. Frank's past boyfriend ran a prostition ring out of their home, Gov. McGreevey had random gay sex in bathrooms while married, or Ted Kennedy let a woman drown. It's kinda of like it should be expected of dems, that way they won't appear hypocritical. See how much sense that makes?

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And because dems are not the epitomy of morality, nor pretend to be, folks like trog find it completely acceptable that Rep. Frank's past boyfriend ran a prostition ring out of their home, Gov. McGreevey had random gay sex in bathrooms while married, or Ted Kennedy let a woman drown. It's kinda of like it should be expected of dems, that way they won't appear hypocritical. See how much sense that makes?

Frank claims he didn't know there was a "ring" ran out of his apartment.  http://newsbusters.org/node/8119  I don't know if that is true or not.  I think you have some idea that there were tons of people around their apartment all the time and that the apt was their "meeting" place for business.  In fact the guy probably just used the phone to make appointments.  Please find the exact evidence in the case so that I can make an informed decision.  Obviously newsbusters/fox news/nbc or any other new organization is not going to have an in depth view of it.    Gov. McGreevy cheated on his wife, it doesn't matter if it was with a man or a woman.  Should he be fired for it?  Should a Republican be fired for it?  No.  Should a person who votes for or writes laws that contradicts their lifestyle be called out on it?  Yes.   #1 Ted Kennedy is dead #2 I wasn't alive when it happened.  So I make no decision on what did or did not happen.  Obviously the law should prevail and the name shouldn't carry any weight.

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Looked up more info

After 18 months, Frank says, he dismissed Gobie upon discovering that he was bringing clients to Frank's apartment. Two years later, Gobie tried unsuccessfully to sell his story to the Washington Post. He then gave the story to the Washington Times for nothing, in hopes of getting a book contract for the male version of The Mayflower Madam. This week Gobie will appear on Geraldo, discussing his prospects for a television mini-series.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,958598,00.html#ixzz12RwIGXm6

So the guy (who was a hooker when he met Frank) was sleeping with men for money at Franks aparment.  That isn't a "prostitution ring" that is a ho bein a ho.  He said he "let him stay at his apartment".  So I think it would be safe to assume that Frank wasn't there (probably in washington) when this occured.

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Looked up more info

After 18 months, Frank says, he dismissed Gobie upon discovering that he was bringing clients to Frank's apartment. Two years later, Gobie tried unsuccessfully to sell his story to the Washington Post. He then gave the story to the Washington Times for nothing, in hopes of getting a book contract for the male version of The Mayflower Madam. This week Gobie will appear on Geraldo, discussing his prospects for a television mini-series.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,958598,00.html#ixzz12RwIGXm6

So the guy (who was a hooker when he met Frank) was sleeping with men for money at Franks aparment.  That isn't a "prostitution ring" that is a ho bein a ho.  He said he "let him stay at his apartment".  So I think it would be safe to assume that Frank wasn't there (probably in washington) when this occured.

But Trog, that doesn't matter to Tony, especially since Barney is a flamer.  Dont you know that nearly all right wing kooks are afraid of teh ghey?

[Conan71]

That's a common pattern I see though:  "That was years ago"  "It shouldn't make a difference" yet it usually seems to, pretty much killed Mark Sanford's political career.  There also seems to be a vague defense placed around the event like Barney's pimp boyfriend, yet Marc Foley was instantly labeled a "pedophile" with no consideration whatsoever for the truth.

The most interesting part is libs don't ever seem to see the double-standards.  For the most part, I see conservatives campaign on issues, liberals seem to make it more personal about the candidate (i.e. Palin, O'Donnell, Paul, McCain, Bush) and resort to playing the race, gender, or ethnic card at any chance.  Logic vs. pathos.

Speaking of hypocrites, anyone else notice that Elliot Spitzerswallows has a show on CNN now?

[Hoss]

That's a common pattern I see though:  "That was years ago"  "It shouldn't make a difference" yet it usually seems to, pretty much killed Mark Sanford's political career.  There also seems to be a vague defense placed around the event like Barney's pimp boyfriend, yet Marc Foley was instantly labeled a "pedophile" with no consideration whatsoever for the truth.

The most interesting part is libs don't ever seem to see the double-standards.  For the most part, I see conservatives campaign on issues, liberals seem to make it more personal about the candidate (i.e. Palin, O'Donnell, Paul, McCain, Bush) and resort to playing the race, gender, or ethnic card at any chance.  Logic vs. pathos.

Speaking of hypocrites, anyone else notice that Elliot Spitzerswallows has a show on CNN now?

Marc Foley was labeled quickly because of his stance on child pornography and sex crimes.  You do remember him introducing a 2002 bill about child modeling exploitation don't you?

THAT was the double standard.

I think it's disgusting from both parties.  But if you purport, in public mind you, to be against one lifestyle, then in private accept or even practice it, that's the hypocrisy.  Especially when you get caught doing it.  Republicans have more a history of being against alleged immorality then the Dems do.

As far as I'm concerned, both parties need to stay out of my perception of what's moral and what's immoral.  The government definitely needs to keep out of the politics of morality.

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Looked up more info

After 18 months, Frank says, he dismissed Gobie upon discovering that he was bringing clients to Frank's apartment. Two years later, Gobie tried unsuccessfully to sell his story to the Washington Post. He then gave the story to the Washington Times for nothing, in hopes of getting a book contract for the male version of The Mayflower Madam. This week Gobie will appear on Geraldo, discussing his prospects for a television mini-series.

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,958598,00.html#ixzz12RwIGXm6

So the guy (who was a hooker when he met Frank) was sleeping with men for money at Franks aparment.  That isn't a "prostitution ring" that is a ho bein a ho.  He said he "let him stay at his apartment".  So I think it would be safe to assume that Frank wasn't there (probably in washington) when this occured.

Suuuuure I trust one of the most corrupt members of the HOR to be honest.  The same guy who was shagging an exec at Fannie Mae while running interference for them for years on the House Banking Committee.  The same guy who was saying up to within a month of the entire system imploding there was nothing going on at Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and they were sound.  The same guy who just happened to secure $60mm in mortgage bail-outs to people in Mass. during the fall campaign season. 

[Conan71]

Marc Foley was labeled quickly because of his stance on child pornography and sex crimes.  You do remember him introducing a 2002 bill about child modeling exploitation don't you?

He was labeled quickly because it was nothing more than electioneering.  Key Democrats knew long before this broke and could have aired it much earlier. 

Point is: once the sharks finally came up for air, we learned that these pages were of legal age in the jurisdiction and he was not, in fact, a pedophile.  It was a misleading and unfair characterization.  I have a major problem of any member of Congress violating our trust and that of the page system.  I've also got a problem with his hypocrisy given his public stances on gay issues.  However, that didn't make it right to call him a pedophile before the facts were known.

[Townsend]

The most interesting part is libs don't ever seem to see the double-standards.  For the most part, I see conservatives campaign on issues, liberals seem to make it more personal about the candidate (i.e. Palin, O'Donnell, Paul, McCain, Bush) and resort to playing the race, gender, or ethnic card at any chance.  Logic vs. pathos.

Ever notice the comments about the current president, or Hillary Clinton?   I'm not seeing moral high ground jumping out at me.

Key Democrats knew long before this broke and could have aired it much earlier.

Key Republicans kept it quiet as well.  He just threw some of the biggest stones at his glass house.  He got busted for it.  "Pedophile" gets the biggest reaction so it's what everyone heard.

[guido911]

Oh well, if Frank, the Congressman, who in your opinions was just DUPED by his pimping boyfriend (makes you really think about his competence if he is to be believed), denied it, then I guess that ends it. And all those folks in the history of being charged with a crime and denied it, I guess they didn't do it either. But nice to know you lefties are so quick to absolve your own-and yes, Frank, McGreevey, Teddy are your own.