Downtown Post Office (Paige Belcher Bldg)

[DTowner]

Even at today's methodical pace of downtown development, the area around the BOK Center will have long since moved on before this spot becomes available in 15-18 years.  And worse, as noted above, by that time the BOK Center will be getting long in the tooth.   In that sense, I'm not sure it make sense to do this deal at all.  Let the Postal Service keep it's outdated building and see what it costs to buy it when Tulsa eventually gets a new federal courthouse.  Given the financial condition of the PO, things could be a lot different a lot sooner than 15-18 years.

[Townsend]

Will there be B&M post offices in 20 years?

[Ronnie Lowe]

When Kathy Taylor pushed through the ill-advised relocation of city hall, the destruction of civic center plaza and its government buildings was set in motion.  I'm not one to waste words on a lost cause but I believe we will come to greatly regret the destruction of these buildings and the civic center plaza.  If we had class we would have restored our civic center like Denver did.  

Oh, I know it is natural for cities to reinvent and rebuild themselves but I have never seen a town with as little respect for its history as Tulsa.

Second point.

Decisions of this magnitude should be opened up for review by the citizenry.  I've said before that there is a clique of insiders here that have decided Tulsa's greatest purpose is to become a Branson, Missouri knock off.  The envisioned entertainment district, discussed here, is a step towards that goal.  If Tulsa had devoted as much time to developing quality jobs and quality public schools, instead of entertainment venues, we would be making some real progress.

[Townsend]

When Kathy Taylor pushed through the ill-advised relocation of city hall, the destruction of civic center plaza and its government buildings was set in motion.  I'm not one to waste words on a lost cause but I believe we will come to greatly regret the destruction of these buildings and the civic center plaza.  If we had class we would have restored our civic center like Denver did.  

The new hotel?

[Conan71]

When Kathy Taylor pushed through the ill-advised relocation of city hall, the destruction of civic center plaza and its government buildings was set in motion.  I'm not one to waste words on a lost cause but I believe we will come to greatly regret the destruction of these buildings and the civic center plaza.  If we had class we would have restored our civic center like Denver did.  

Oh, I know it is natural for cities to reinvent and rebuild themselves but I have never seen a town with as little respect for its history as Tulsa.

Second point.

Decisions of this magnitude should be opened up for review by the citizenry.  I've said before that there is a clique of insiders here that have decided Tulsa's greatest purpose is to become a Branson, Missouri knock off.  The envisioned entertainment district, discussed here, is a step towards that goal.  If Tulsa had devoted as much time to developing quality jobs and quality public schools, instead of entertainment venues, we would be making some real progress.

Ronnie, you are aware City Hall is being restored/repurposed into a hotel and will retain it's current exterior facade, right?  As well, I believe the developers of the hotel plan to restore and/or improve the parts of the plaza which are a part of their property.

[Ronnie Lowe]

new hotel asked for and got center of civic center plaza busted out for surface street
discussion of relocation of library as well as county court house
new hotel is a remodel (not restoration) and their mixing of public and private space has already been problematic
largely original collection of 60s buildings already damaged and historic value diminished
we have taken several major steps towards the destruction of civic center

this is carried out against the backdrop of new international acclaim for the architect of convention center

[Conan71]

new hotel asked for and got center of civic center plaza busted out for surface street
discussion of relocation of library as well as county court house
new hotel is a remodel (not restoration) and their mixing of public and private space has already been problematic
largely original collection of 60s buildings already damaged and historic value diminished
we have taken several major steps towards the destruction of civic center

this is carried out against the backdrop of new international acclaim for the architect of convention center

Could be worse in that case.  The whole area could have been demolished and reconstructed with something hideous.

[Townsend]

Could be worse in that case.  The whole area could have been demolished and reconstructed with something hideous.

Surface parking for the Southies coming to the BOK center.

[patric]

The building is a useless ugly monolithic mostly empty hulk and blocks the path between the BOK Center and the Convention Center. Bring it down.

Ironically, that building was McVeigh's second choice.

[Teatownclown]

When Kathy Taylor pushed through the ill-advised relocation of city hall, the destruction of civic center plaza and its government buildings was set in motion.  I'm not one to waste words on a lost cause but I believe we will come to greatly regret the destruction of these buildings and the civic center plaza.  If we had class we would have restored our civic center like Denver did.  

Oh, I know it is natural for cities to reinvent and rebuild themselves but I have never seen a town with as little respect for its history as Tulsa.

Second point.

Decisions of this magnitude should be opened up for review by the citizenry.  I've said before that there is a clique of insiders here that have decided Tulsa's greatest purpose is to become a Branson, Missouri knock off.  The envisioned entertainment district, discussed here, is a step towards that goal.  If Tulsa had devoted as much time to developing quality jobs and quality public schools, instead of entertainment venues, we would be making some real progress.

Nominated for post of the day....

Tulsa, one mistake stacked on top of another.....

[carltonplace]

Nominated for post of the day....

Tulsa, one mistake stacked on top of another.....

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

[Conan71]

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot?

Yep, Bravo Sierra

[Teatownclown]

Been fully drunk?


Actually, nominated for best TNF post ever.