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The Cost of Paying Unemployment Benefits--$319B

Started by guido911, November 17, 2010, 11:58:34 AM

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guido911

$119B of that butt load of money shelled out by taxpayers.

http://money.cnn.com/2010/11/17/news/economy/unemployment_benefits_cost/index.htm

The article provides good insight as to the sources of unemployment cash.
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we vs us

It's definitely a lot of money . . . but I'm curious as to whether this is the biggest workout our unemployment insurance system has had since it was created (after the 1935 Social Security Act, generally).  I bet it probably is, based on depth and length of the unemployment problem.

I've heard a lot of talk about how unemployment incentivizes people to not search out work, but that can only be true if there's work out there to be had; likewise if the unemployment benefits outweigh the benefits of having work.  Right now, I think neither of those are true. 

guido911

Quote from: we vs us on November 17, 2010, 05:04:12 PM
I've heard a lot of talk about how unemployment incentivizes people to not search out work, but that can only be true if there's work out there to be had; likewise if the unemployment benefits outweigh the benefits of having work.  Right now, I think neither of those are true. 


http://www.tulsaworld.com/classifieds/jobs/
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nathanm

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln


guido911

Quote from: we vs us on November 17, 2010, 08:04:37 PM
Hilarious! 

Are you making a point or is that just snark?

Naw, I was merely linking to a site that had 1400 job openings. Still, nice to know that looking for employment in the "want ads" is funny rather than being a source to find a job and to get off unemployment.
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we vs us

Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 08:12:33 PM
Naw, I was merely linking to a site that had 1400 job openings. Still, nice to know that looking for employment in the "want ads" is funny rather than being a source to find a job and to get off unemployment.

So, I think I know this already, but I'm curious to hear it from you:  why do you think there are 1400 jobs on the Tulsa World website while our unemployment rate still hovers around 10%?  Bonus points for explanations that delve a little deeper than "government handouts make people lazy."

guido911

Quote from: we vs us on November 17, 2010, 08:16:26 PM
So, I think I know this already, but I'm curious to hear it from you:  why do you think there are 1400 jobs on the Tulsa World website while our unemployment rate still hovers around 10%?  Bonus points for explanations that delve a little deeper than "government handouts make people lazy."

No idea why there are all those jobs, perhaps its just bs and those jobs do not exist. I want to know why you think want ads are funny.
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we vs us

Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 08:28:23 PM
No idea why there are all those jobs, perhaps its just bs and those jobs do not exist. I want to know why you think want ads are funny.

I don't think job ads are funny.  I think you being a smartass was funny.  Kinda.

Why are there so many jobs in the paper and yet our unemployment rate remains so high?  What could explain it? 

rhymnrzn

#9
These mouths need to be stopped that focus on ending unemployment benefits, in the context that this value system and government schedule are going to stay intact.  For they seek the situation to be treated universally, that if one cannot regain employment and bear their burdens (even with this present distress), then they are automatically being burdensome to others and are always seeking handouts.  What a hard way to deal with brothers, making us compete for a basic lot at every season!  Here in Ohio there are some 200,000 that are scheduled to be discontinued from their unemployment by January: all because of some bizarre claimants who deny the perversion of the scales in our system, and heap a tragedy upon giving people the means to maintain until the nation as a whole can get the right vision. 

Alas, we are living the vision of those few, and the prophets of their own are nurturing their own NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.

Conversely, if I had millions bucks handed to me, as they hand it out to fools through lottery scratch-off or from scoring up at the casino, or through inheritance, I wouldn't be the one gaining from it, but to whoever and whatever true needs and requirements (which are all over the place) I could immediately distribute to, according to all that is in my power.  Others would be the benefactors: and such is the case with most of these petty installments.

guido911

Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 17, 2010, 09:48:05 PM
These mouths need to be stopped that focus on ending unemployment benefits, in the context that this value system and government schedule are going to stay intact.  For they seek the situation to be treated universally, that if one cannot regain employment and bear their burdens (even with this present distress), then they are automatically being burdensome to others and are always seeking handouts.  What a hard way to deal with brothers, making us compete for a basic lot at every season!  Here in Ohio there are some 200,000 that are scheduled to be discontinued from their unemployment by January: all because of some bizarre claimants who deny the perversion of the scales in our system, and heap a tragedy upon giving people the means to maintain until the nation as a whole can get the right vision. 

Alas, we are living the vision of those few, and the prophets of their own are nurturing their own NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.

Conversely, if I had millions bucks handed to me, as they hand it out to fools through lottery scratch-off or from scoring up at the casino, or through inheritance, I wouldn't be the one gaining from it, but to whoever and whatever true needs and requirements (which are all over the place) I could immediately distribute to, according to all that is in my power.  Others would be the benefactors: and such is the case with most of these petty installments.

You are about to get nabbed by the TNF poster police. Be warned!!!
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guido911

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Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 17, 2010, 10:00:22 PM
oh rats!


Just duck, there are those out there with nothing better to do (other than beat off) than insult you without even trying to form an intelligent thought. Warn quinton!
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Hoss

Quote from: guido911 on November 17, 2010, 10:16:30 PM
Just duck, there are those out there with nothing better to do (other than beat off) than insult you without even trying to form an intelligent thought. Warn quinton!

That's like the pot and the kettle I think...

TheArtist

#14
Quote from: rhymnrzn on November 17, 2010, 09:48:05 PM
These mouths need to be stopped that focus on ending unemployment benefits, in the context that this value system and government schedule are going to stay intact.  For they seek the situation to be treated universally, that if one cannot regain employment and bear their burdens (even with this present distress), then they are automatically being burdensome to others and are always seeking handouts.  What a hard way to deal with brothers, making us compete for a basic lot at every season!  Here in Ohio there are some 200,000 that are scheduled to be discontinued from their unemployment by January: all because of some bizarre claimants who deny the perversion of the scales in our system, and heap a tragedy upon giving people the means to maintain until the nation as a whole can get the right vision.  

Alas, we are living the vision of those few, and the prophets of their own are nurturing their own NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM.

Conversely, if I had millions bucks handed to me, as they hand it out to fools through lottery scratch-off or from scoring up at the casino, or through inheritance, I wouldn't be the one gaining from it, but to whoever and whatever true needs and requirements (which are all over the place) I could immediately distribute to, according to all that is in my power.  Others would be the benefactors: and such is the case with most of these petty installments.

 If you had a million dollars (whether you wone it through luck or not) and I had need of some money and didnt have work... I would much rather you pay me for doing some work for you than you just give it to me without working. If I had a million dollars I would figure out how to employ people.  I would figure out how to invest it so that I could grow a business and employ people over the long haul, hopefully grow a business and ultimately help more people than you ever could by just giving it away right off. Which essentially, if you win a million or earn it,,, its not going to be sitting in a mattress, (or as in biblical days sitting in a rich mans vault gathering dust and doing nothing for anyone).  It will be invested somewhere.  Money flows all over the world these days and is put to work.  In a place or way you choose to invest it, or the bank chooses if you so please. It will either be a loan/investment to a business to grow that business, or perhaps a loan to someone to help them buy a home, etc.  
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