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Started by we vs us, December 01, 2010, 03:22:14 PM

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Conan71

Quote from: we vs us on December 06, 2010, 03:39:58 PM
There's no doubt it's an employers' market, and they have all the leverage when hiring.  I've come to understand, however, that what makes you employable right now in history is chiefly that you've been recently or are currently employed.  Everything else flows from there.



You can usually tell when we are nearing full employment: the idiots who were previously unemployable have replaced those who were fairly smart at the drive through windows as those people catted up to a better job  ;)
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

nathanm

Quote from: we vs us on December 06, 2010, 03:39:58 PM
There's no doubt it's an employers' market, and they have all the leverage when hiring.  I've come to understand, however, that what makes you employable right now in history is chiefly that you've been recently or are currently employed.  Everything else flows from there.
Yet another reason why we should make people work part time mowing parks or whatever else we need to have done but lack the budget for after their initial benefits are up. If a person is presently completely jobless, you can't really be sure that they show up on time or shower regularly or whatever. Short-sighted and sad but that's reality. Apparently it worked pretty well in Argentina some years back.

I suppose that was part of the motivation behind the tax credit for new employees..enticing the employer into taking the risk by temporarily subsidizing the position.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Conan71

Quote from: nathanm on December 06, 2010, 03:58:25 PM
Yet another reason why we should make people work part time mowing parks or whatever else we need to have done but lack the budget for after their initial benefits are up. If a person is presently completely jobless, you can't really be sure that they show up on time or shower regularly or whatever. Short-sighted and sad but that's reality. Apparently it worked pretty well in Argentina some years back.

I suppose that was part of the motivation behind the tax credit for new employees..enticing the employer into taking the risk by temporarily subsidizing the position.

Have you gotten a prescription for Republicontin or begun drinking the Murdochian Kool-Aid?

I definitely think the gov't could be getting some benefit out of the unemployed as long as they are on extended U/E.  If it weren't for the cost and hassle involved, I'd advocate for regular piss screening too.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

nathanm

Quote from: Conan71 on December 06, 2010, 04:24:36 PM
Have you gotten a prescription for Republicontin or begun drinking the Murdochian Kool-Aid?

I definitely think the gov't could be getting some benefit out of the unemployed as long as they are on extended U/E.  If it weren't for the cost and hassle involved, I'd advocate for regular piss screening too.
I've been saying that for months now.

Piss testing goes too far says Mr. Hyde, my libertarian alter-ego. ;)
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

Quote from: Conan71 on December 06, 2010, 04:24:36 PM
Have you gotten a prescription for Republicontin or begun drinking the Murdochian Kool-Aid?

I definitely think the gov't could be getting some benefit out of the unemployed as long as they are on extended U/E.  If it weren't for the cost and hassle involved, I'd advocate for regular piss screening too.

How about, if you spend the whole 99+ weeks on unemployment you get the choice of additional weeks becoming loans against your future pay, or a kidney.

Think of all of the people awaiting transplants that we could help.

Joking.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

guido911

#110
Looks like Obama and the repubs reached a deal extending all the Bush tax cuts.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/12/6/926200/-President-Obama-announces-deal-to-continue-Bush-tax-policy

Read the comments...heads appear to be exploding on the left.

Edited:  Here's HuffPo's coverage. The comments there are even funnier than at Kos.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/12/06/obama-tax-cut-compromise_n_792776.html

Is it wrong for me to laugh at the unhinged left? 
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on December 06, 2010, 06:16:43 PM
Is it wrong for me to laugh at the unhinged left? 
No. I sometimes have the urge. Usually, though, I just shake my head in disbelief.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Conan71

That's some seriously rabid, uninformed smile right there
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

guido911

Something to laugh about:

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Gaspar

My rabid ObamaMamma (that's what one of her bumper stickers said) client told me today that she wants President Obama IMPEACHED!

You keep using that word. . .I do not think it means what you think it means. ..... Inigo Montoya





When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Conan71

Quote from: Gaspar on December 07, 2010, 04:23:35 PM
My rabid ObamaMamma (that's what one of her bumper stickers said) client told me today that she wants President Obama IMPEACHED!

You keep using that word. . .I do not think it means what you think it means. ..... Inigo Montoya




Separated at birth from Sam Shepard?

I've seen the "impeached" word floating lately.  That's another signal for me to quit listening when someone starts up with the "I" word with an elected official.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

nathanm

Quote from: Conan71 on December 07, 2010, 04:32:43 PM
That's another signal for me to quit listening when someone starts up with the "I" word with an elected official.
Funny, my ears perk right up when I hear someone wish Dewey could be impeached. ;)
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Hoss

Quote from: nathanm on December 07, 2010, 05:51:12 PM
Funny, my ears perk right up when I hear someone wish Dewey could be impeached. ;)

Dewey's so smart he probably thinks that means having a fuzzy orange pitted fruit shoved...wait, never mind.

Conan71

Quote from: Hoss on December 07, 2010, 06:16:41 PM
Dewey's so smart he probably thinks that means having a fuzzy orange pitted fruit shoved...wait, never mind.

Oh love, find me a defibrilator!
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

I just got the chance to watch yesterday's press conference.  Wow!
It's sad but that was historical, and this will certainly be his most remembered moment.

"It's tempting not to negotiate with hostage takers unless the hostage gets harmed. Then people will question the wisdom of that strategy. In this case, the hostage was the American people, and I was not willing to see them get harmed." 

Weak, angry, frail, lost, and nervous.  Everything but presidential.  If he actually felt this was a moment to throw himself on the sword he should have done it WITH his party and in a bipartisan manner rather than throwing all fellow Democrats under the bus. 

I don't agree with what the Democrats were, and still are, prepared to do, but I don't think I've ever seen a president provide such a provocative explanation for his actions, regarding the other party as "hostage-takers", and thereby showing his party as incompetent, and incapable of reasonable compromise.

It may have been an unfortunate un-teleprompted moment, but I believe it is the very moment he lost any chance of re-election in 2012.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.