Enterprise Captain To Be Relieved Of Command

[Townsend]

Was that really necessary?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/01/04/132646800/enterprise-captains-career-likely-sunk-due-to-videos?sc=fb&cc=fp

[Hoss]

Was that really necessary?

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/01/04/132646800/enterprise-captains-career-likely-sunk-due-to-videos?sc=fb&cc=fp

Conduct unbecoming?  I'm not sure of the content, but lesser offenses have lost commands before.  And when you are the skipper of a nuclear aircraft carrier, you tend to be held to a higher standard.

[Townsend]

Conduct unbecoming?  I'm not sure of the content, but lesser offenses have lost commands before.  And when you are the skipper of a nuclear aircraft carrier, you tend to be held to a higher standard.

Well trained, liked, talented.  It offended but didn't cause loss of life or endanger anyone that I'm aware of.

Someone reacted harshly to pressure from above.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Captain of the Enterprise engaging in making of porno and sexual assault films...

Definitely overreaction....

Yeah, right.

[Townsend]

Captain of the Enterprise engaging in making of porno and sexual assault films...

Definitely overreaction....

Yeah, right.

In case you're just catching up on this story, we reported yesterday on the videos Honors made — and showed to the 6,000 or so sailors and Marines aboard the Enterprise — several years ago when he was the aircraft carrier's second-in-command. Meant to be entertaining, they included anti-gay slurs, simulated masturbation, the simulated eating of human excrement, a discussion of profanity and sexually-themed shower scenes

Captain at the time?  No.
Porno?  Maybe
Sexual Assault?   Didn't see that part.  What've you seen?

[swake]

Captain at the time?  No.
Porno?  Maybe
Sexual Assault?   Didn't see that part.  What've you seen?

There is no workplace where that would be acceptable. That would lead to termination everywhere. It's not just that he did it, but he did with people that worked for him in his workplace. In any job a manager that does something like that is fired.

It's even less acceptable in the military for someone responsible for almost 6000 lives. It's shows very poor judgement for someone that really needs excellent judgement.

[Conan71]

It might show poor judgement in our world, but people keep making the mistake believing that the military is or should be like the normal job world and it simply is not.  That's also partly a commentary on DADT.  I'm curious how many of the activists making the biggest stink on DADT are planning on enlisting or if it's simply sticking their thumb in the eye of an old institution.

For those who are grossly offended by Capt. Honor's actions, they must not be familiar with shellbacking nor many other on-board shenanigans which have gone on in the world's navies for centuries.  Google shellbacking for a start and I think one can get an idea what I'm talking about.  It's mostly stress relief.  Imagine yourself cooped up on a ship for 6 months or so in a military environment.  Most of us can't imagine that and I think that's part of the mis-placed outrage.  Had there been no media furor over this, Capt. Honor would still be commanding the Enterprise.

[Townsend]

There is no workplace where that would be acceptable. That would lead to termination everywhere. It's not just that he did it, but he did with people that worked for him in his workplace. In any job a manager that does something like that is fired.

It's even less acceptable in the military for someone responsible for almost 6000 lives. It's shows very poor judgement for someone that really needs excellent judgement.

Generally I'd agree with you 100%.  What was found was crude and offensive.

I've never served on a boat that size and don't know if this is a common occurance.

It blows my mind that a second in command would take part, yes.  Was it worth a dismissal?  I don't know.

I was surprised this action was taken without any other course attempted. 

There were persons high up in government allowed to stay in office after various acts recently.  It's not an excuse, just an observation.

[Cats Cats Cats]

This has been up for hours and no Riker facepalm yet?

[Townsend]

This has been up for hours and no Riker facepalm yet?

Please, feel free.

In fact, here's Jesus.



Was he removed for his actions or because the general populous got wind of it?

[Conan71]

General populous, or Admiral Populous.

[Townsend]

General populous, or Admiral Populous.

24 hour Media Populous.

[Conan71]

24 hour Media Populous.

No doubt they had to react to public outrage.  I'm pretty sure without it being leaked to the media this would have remained an "internal matter".

[swake]

Generally I'd agree with you 100%.  What was found was crude and offensive.

I've never served on a boat that size and don't know if this is a common occurance.

It blows my mind that a second in command would take part, yes.  Was it worth a dismissal?  I don't know.

I was surprised this action was taken without any other course attempted. 

There were persons high up in government allowed to stay in office after various acts recently.  It's not an excuse, just an observation.

But, he also hasn't been dismissed, or fired, or whatever you want to call it. He's been removed from his command position. He's not been kicked out of the military.

[Conan71]

But, he also hasn't been dismissed, or fired, or whatever you want to call it. He's been removed from his command position. He's not been kicked out of the military.

As I heard it worded, he's no longer in line for advancement which pretty well means his career is over.