The Arizona Massacre

[Conan71]

Except for the fact that documents found at his home indicated he used just that term (assassinate) on a document hand-written with Gifford's name on it.

A lot of it from what a friend told a reporter has to do with a question he posed to Gifford in 2008 at a town hall (I can't find the exact wording of the question, but she either didn't answer it or brushed him off because the question was quite strange).  The friend indicates that was the turning point for his behavioral change.

He, you, Nathan, or I can use the term "assassination" all we want in relation to this shooting.  That still doesn't change the fact this is more of a classic rampage than a classic assassination.  Assassination rarely comes from anger.

[Townsend]

You accept that drivel from that liberal hack, and you have the balls to question what I read?

Which hack?  I wrote "Nobody listens to them.  They don't have an audience like their yangs do."

Why do you think they BK'd?

I question the crap you read because it seems beneath your intellect.

[Hoss]

Given what I have read today, I think a bigger cracker will be needed.

you read?  I thought you just copy and pasted from Freep.

[Hoss]

He, you, Nathan, or I can use the term "assassination" all we want in relation to this shooting.  That still doesn't change the fact this is more of a classic rampage than a classic assassination.  Assassination rarely comes from anger.

I agree with that.  Assassinations are PURELY political, like what John Wilkes Booth did to President Lincoln.  I think the jury's still out on the Kennedy assassination, but you know what I mean.  While this, at it's base is political (simply because the target was a congresswoman), it reminds me a little more of the attempted Reagan assassination for the suspect's mental capacity and emotional state of mind.

[Townsend]

Tweet from @nbcnightlynews:

Aides offer public way to send messages of support for all AZ victims: giffordswellwishes@gmail.com

How many Beck-efreakiens you think are going to send seriously F'ed up emails to that one?

[dbacks fan]

Tweet from @nbcnightlynews:


How many Beck-efreakiens you think are going to send seriously F'ed up emails to that one?

Probably the same number of "ditto heads" that agree with Rush that this is the Dems fault.

"Let me do this here at the outset, folks, because this is what all of this is really all about.  It is all political.  I was blamed for the Oklahoma City bombing in 1995.  We all know that Mark Penn said that an Oklahoma City-type event is what Obama's gonna need if he wants to get the American people back. 

After 9/11 happened, Democrats are running around lamenting that it did not happen on Clinton's watch.  After the Times Square attack happened, Mayor Bloomberg said: It has to be an angry Tea Party person upset at Obamacare.  It's the template.  It's the narrative.  There's never any evidence.  Every projection, every prediction, every association that any act of violence has been made with the conservative right has fallen on emptiness.  There has never been any evidence of it.  To the extent that politics is involved in assassinations, Lee Harvey Oswald, JFK, he was a communist back from Moscow. "

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_011011/content/01125106.guest.html

[nathanm]

He, you, Nathan, or I can use the term "assassination" all we want in relation to this shooting.  That still doesn't change the fact this is more of a classic rampage than a classic assassination.  Assassination rarely comes from anger.

Calmly walking up to someone and shooting them in the head doesn't make it sound like he was in a rage. Whatever may have happened after that doesn't have much bearing on his attempting to assassinate Giffords.

[Conan71]

Calmly walking up to someone and shooting them in the head doesn't make it sound like he was in a rage. Whatever may have happened after that doesn't have much bearing on his attempting to assassinate Giffords.

I'm talking about the motivation being a simmering rage.  I have no idea how pissed off he was at that moment, but apparently he was really pissed off for a long time prior to the incident.  This has more in common with school yard shootings than Oswald shooting Kennedy.  Capiche?

[nathanm]

I have no idea how pissed off he was at that moment, but apparently he was really pissed off for a long time prior to the incident.  This has more in common with school yard shootings than Oswald shooting Kennedy.  Capiche?

Almost half of assassination attempts since 1949 involved a grievance, whether real or imagined. This incident is actually very typical, both in the identity of the assassin (white, male) and other factors (use of a gun, having a grievance). If he made previous threats against her, that would be unusual. Threats to the target are almost always communicated to someone (usually a friend or relative of the assassin, occasionally to some other public official), but almost never to the subject.

If he was hoping to be killed in the attack, that's also very typical of assassins in the US since 1949. Over half expected/hoped to be killed. Many of them were suicidal. Generally speaking, by the time they get to the point where assassination is a viable choice in their mind, they have decided that exposing whatever injustice it is they seek to remedy is more important than their own survival.

It'll be interesting to see if he ever divulges the reason why he felt the need to kill other members of the crowd. It's possible he thought it would help him escape. It's possible that, like the guy who killed the Unitarians in Tennessee last year, that he decided all those present in the crowd were godless liberals who deserved to die. It's possible that he had a psychotic break after shooting Giffords.

[guido911]

In other news, Rep. Giffords is breathing on her own and moving her arms.

http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-giffords-update-20110111,0,1099108.story

Now, back to more important things like who other than the shooter is to blame.

[joiei]

A great start for a conversation within the CjC. What a whiny little turd and apologist that writer is. Seriously, "we are not as popular as Palin or Limbaugh, so our violent rhetoric means less."

I guess this leftist thinks Palin is more important than Obama, who himself has a history of violent rhetoric:

http://thespeechatimeforchoosing.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/did-barack-obamas-violent-rhetoric-inspire-mass-murder-in-arizona/

http://www.therightperspective.org/2011/01/10/a-history-of-obamas-violent-rhetoric-pt-2/

Thanks Guido,  I have been put in my place by the master.    BTW,  my brother in law agrees with every word you share,  sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.   But I forgot,  this board belongs to the posters who only follow the talking points of the right.  I was going to be rude but decided that all of the hate talk that I dislike need not be inflamed by my own personal opinions.   I do try to keep on open mind and read and listen to those who have a different opinion than myself.   Maybe I can learn something.   

Back to the topic of this thread,   I have tried to follow the Arizona legislature,  did they get their rules on protesting at funerals passed,  I sure hope so.  The families do not deserve to be confronted with the Westboro garbage during this time.   My prayers go out for the families and friends of the Tucson Massacre at this time.   

[dbacks fan]

Thanks Guido,  I have been put in my place by the master.    BTW,  my brother in law agrees with every word you share,  sometimes I do and sometimes I don't.   But I forgot,  this board belongs to the posters who only follow the talking points of the right.  I was going to be rude but decided that all of the hate talk that I dislike need not be inflamed by my own personal opinions.   I do try to keep on open mind and read and listen to those who have a different opinion than myself.   Maybe I can learn something.  

Back to the topic of this thread,   I have tried to follow the Arizona legislature,  did they get their rules on protesting at funerals passed,  I sure hope so.  The families do not deserve to be confronted with the Westboro garbage during this time.   My prayers go out for the families and friends of the Tucson Massacre at this time.  

It is on the governors desk and should be signed shortly.

[nathanm]

In other news, Rep. Giffords is breathing on her own and moving her arms.

Excellent news.

Does it bother anyone else in the least that the State of Arizona thinks it can dictate in which public places Phelps and his clan may or may not spew their filth?

[guido911]

Compelling post.

[dbacks fan]

[quote author=nathanm link=topic=16899.msg185550#msg185550 date=129479210

Does it bother anyone else in the least that the State of Arizona thinks it can dictate in which public places Phelps and his clan may or may not spew their filth?


Nope. And before you say it, I do not fear the slippery slope.

This is one I will agree on completely. You can regulate where and when protest occur. As a side note, I wouldn't want to protest something like this in Tucson, I think they may have to worry about more than their tires.