Tulsa DA office

[heironymouspasparagus]

Our DA office, under Tim Harris is hard at work protecting criminals - still.

There has been a case winding its way through the courts that was resolved this month where the criminal involved came onto his porch drunk.  With an SKS (miniature AK47 assault rifle).  Pulled the bolt to load and pointed it at two minor boys across the street.  Pulled the trigger.  And aw, shucks, it was empty so no cartridge was fired.

Drunk goes back in the house and gets his Glock.  Comes back to front porch and tries to aim at the boys, who by this time were high tailing it to the house.  He did pull the slide to cock it.  He did not have time to pull the trigger.  When the police arrived, after a short standoff with the drunk, they found the empty SKS.  And they found the LOADED, ready to fire Glock, with one in the chamber.  Had he been just a little bit more sober...

Anyway, the Harris office has worked out a deal such that determination of verdict is deferred 10 years. (Drunk plead no contest).  That means Harris is letting this criminal walk around for 10 years.  Keep his concealed carry permit.  And keep his insanity stewing around in the back of his mind until the NEXT time he decides to take care of things in the neighborhood.

The boys were sitting in their car, without music or otherwise disturbing anyone, across the street from the criminals house.

Sounds like law and order to me....I AM curious if the drunk has a relative who is a lawyer and friend of the court?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Small correction; the two 17 year old boys were involved in their own "criminal" activity.  They were sitting in the car smoking cigarettes, so I guess they are not completely without blame, huh?

And I just hate it when I am wrong - and in this case, I was wrong.  The drunk did NOT plead no contest.  He plead GUILTY to feloniously pointing a firearm while under the influence of drugs or alcohol.  Sorry about the misinformation.

It was not just Harris' office that was involved.  Judge Glassco made the decision - or rather lack of decision.  For 10 years.

But the drunk was ordered to pay $250 victims compensation for the felony count!  I wonder who gets that money?

Just one empty magazine away from an Arizona Safeway event.

[tulsa_fan]

And think, not one person stepped up to run against him.  I have helped whomever has run againt Harris every time.  He is NOT a good DA.  I'm assuming you have a personal interest in this case, so I am sorry you had to be a victim of his justice. 

*sidebar, they are overworked, and there are great ADAs over there, but Harris has got to go . . . . . wish the Mayor would offer him a cush job in his office and let someone else take over!!!

[heironymouspasparagus]

I am staying at arms length and just viewing from a distance.  But I do know enough of the principals to get a pretty good overview.  And the OCIS web site shows case information.  

The ADA was also involved in this.  Granted, there were several of them throughout the entire time, but they were at the table during all the discussions, I presume.  I certainly hope the Judge didn't just visit with Dan Kramer (defense) and make a decision without input.  But I guess, for all practical purposes, they did, huh?

Too bad we don't get to vote on Judge Glassco and DA Tim Harris, ain't it?

[Conan71]

You are just a fount of misinformation.

Frankly, I'm surprised any self-respecting NRA member would refer to an SKS as an "assault rifle" or even used that trumped up term made up by the media to whip gun-grubbers into a frenzy.  The only real similarities between an SKS and AK is they fire the same round and they are made in many of the same countries.  They are about as similar as a mini 14 and AR-15.

We just had the opportunity to vote Glassco off the bench.  Unfortunately incumbent judges are pretty hard to uproot without a lot of hoopla in the media.  The last one they tore into who got beat was Caroline Wall IIRC.

Harris is a complete disgrace to the job, but until we are willing to pay the kind of money which would attract a great administrator and even better courtroom brawler to the post, we will never find a better DA.  I've ranted about this before, you are more than welcome to run a search on previous threads where we've discussed Harris at length.

Also, as far as his personal participation in the case, since it was not high profile and no death resulted, there's a very good liklihood that he never even reviewed the case file.  The DA's office sees 15,000 to 16,000 cases a year.  That means the DA is primarily an administrator and secondly a prosecutor.  Not defending him, but I'm a stickler for facts especially when someone makes an overly clumsy attempt at mangling the facts to suit their own paradigm.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Misinformation?

About the case or the SKS?  I mentioned the SKS being similar to a miniature AK47 for those who aren't familiar with the two.  I have owned both from time to time and have shot AK47 a few times and SKS MANY times.  Fun rifle.  The little bayonet is charming, with the cute little blood channels and flat front point.  And if YOU were the one looking down the barrel of one when some drunk criminal pulled back the bolt to chamber a round, then pointed it at you and pulled the trigger from 55 feet away, I bet you, too would call it an assault rifle - in all senses of the word, but in particular because you would be victim of assault by that rifle.  That's the best you can think of to complain about?  Whew, losing our edge, are we?

As far as mini 14 and AR15, well the mini is smaller than AR (as is SKS), lighter (as is SKS), more maneuverable (as is SKS), less expensive (as is SKS).  Sounds like an excellent comparison.  Goes more to a matter of personal preference.  I prefer the mini14.  And the AK47.

Case misinformation?  If you think so, will be glad to provide the case number for you.  You can look up the particulars of case disposition, find the police report, etc.  As far as the details of the event - well, that IS how it went down.  

No, I am sure Harris is not involved directly, but hey, he is the one that wanted the "big seat", so he is indeed responsible.  And I specifically stated that is was his office doing the "work".  Just not very well.  But hey, if we put violent criminals in prison, then where would we put all the stoners busted for a couple joints??  

[Breadburner]

You should do your-self a favor and delete your previous post....

[heironymouspasparagus]

Yeah, probably should.  I suspect Harris' office is already out to get me.

Which part do you think is over the line?
(Keep in mind the terms satire and hyperbole.)


But I do know a good lawyer to talk to, if needed.  He did an excellent job.  (No irony or satire there, in case anyone wondering.)

[heironymouspasparagus]

As for the last vote, yep, we are a prime example of "lost opportunity' in many ways.  I don't care to start a discussion of Harris or Glassco.  These are just unpleasant facts of life in Tulsa county, which the electorate is either to lazy or too apathetic to investigate, evaluate, and eliminate.  Sad, but true.

Still not to the threshold to make me leave.  But definitely above the threshold to motivate me to work for change.

[Conan71]

As for the last vote, yep, we are a prime example of "lost opportunity' in many ways.  I don't care to start a discussion of Harris or Glassco.  These are just unpleasant facts of life in Tulsa county, which the electorate is either to lazy or too apathetic to investigate, evaluate, and eliminate.  Sad, but true.

Still not to the threshold to make me leave.  But definitely above the threshold to motivate me to work for change.

Harris has prosecuted a couple of people on manslaughter in very obvious cases of self-defense where the state law is very clear. 

I read a story last week about a woman who shot her abusive husband, got a 10 year sentence, served six months, and has been paroled for the next 9.5 years.  I can't believe she was ever prosecuted or spent a day behind bars given the circumstances. 

In the case of the fellow who shot the drunk tweaker at river parks a few years back, that was a gross miscarriage charging him in the first place.  But people close to that situation have told me the shooter in that incident did not follow the advice of attorneys the NRA provided for him and that's why he took a plea.

[cannon_fodder]

The case is public information - if it is as you say post away.  Go pull the file and get a transcript and scan and post.  The conduct was out of line do doubt, but there is probably more/less to the story.

I have no real opinion on haqrris or this case...

[Gaspar]

You should do your-self a favor and delete your previous post....

Not a good day for him.  Could be a Thyroid imbalance.

[Gaspar]

Heir,

At least accelerate before you spin out. 

[heironymouspasparagus]

And if Loughner had  been drunk enough to  forget to load his Glock, the same would apply??  Thyroid imbalance?  Really?
Well, that is pretty much what I would expect from Bread.  Gaspar surprises me a little, I must admit.

Wow!  That must be the attitude the DA office used when cutting this deal.

[patric]

Whatever became of the "hitman" that was going to get the D.A.? 
Last I read the whole "plot" was just a pretext to photocopy some privileged client-attorney documents in a suspects jail cell.