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Started by GG, February 16, 2011, 09:41:32 PM

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Townsend

#15
February 18, 2011, 01:56:46 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on February 18, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
Practice tolerance much?

Not to be argumentative but from which perspective?

Surely you're not considering him intolerant of Christians when Christians are so tolerant of others.

My point is, if you're not a Christian, (per Christians) you are condemned to an eternity in Hell...unless you practice inclusionism.  Inclusionism can't be right because it destroyed one of the largest churches in the USA and sent the practicing minister to Chicago to find more tolerant peoples.

So tolerance isn't exactly returned by all parties.

If that's not what you meant then excuse me.

Gaspar

#16
February 18, 2011, 02:08:28 PM
Quoteif you're not a Christian, (per Christians) you are condemned to an eternity in Hell

They don't do the condemning, God does.  So if you don't believe in God, you're off the hook! ;)

Some condemn those of faith as insane.  In that case, he is doing the condemning. Christians view every sole as sacred. . .even Nates.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

#17
February 18, 2011, 02:13:38 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on February 18, 2011, 02:08:28 PM
They don't do the condemning, God does.  So if you don't believe in God, you're off the hook! ;)


I disagree, it's the Christians doing the condemning.  They're the only ones pushing that whole thing.  God's never said a thing about it to me.

nathanm

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February 18, 2011, 02:18:06 PM Last Edit: February 18, 2011, 02:19:57 PM by nathanm
Quote from: Conan71 on February 18, 2011, 01:50:11 PM
Practice tolerance much?
Yes, actually. I have no problem with allowing people to practice their woo. Nor do I have a personal problem with people who can segregate woo from day-to-day reality. Tolerance does not mean refusing to see things that are in front of your face. It means allowing people to do/believe things no matter how stupid you think such things are.

Basically, I have as much tolerance for other people as they have for me. I don't generally bring up my extreme disdain for religion because I don't feel the need to talk about it when nobody asks. That's also part of tolerance. I wish the true believer Christians in my life could be so tolerant. (thankfully most I know are, but there are a few who wear it on their sleeve..)

Where I get intolerant is people trying to base law on woo or claiming that their brand of woo is some sort of universal morality. I don't claim my nonbelief should be legislated any more than their belief should be legislated.

Gaspar, I don't believe in a "soul" per se, as that implies some sort of consciousness separate from the physical mind. As I said before, people can be high functioning and still hold insane beliefs. (fantastical beliefs, if you're hung up on the use of the word insane)

Edited to add: After all, Einstein was kinda sorta a believer, yet he managed to come up with some of the most important discoveries of all time. Obviously believing in things that don't exist doesn't make it impossible to function in society.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

#20
February 18, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
Quote from: nathanm on February 18, 2011, 02:18:06 PM


Gaspar, I don't believe in a "soul" per se, as that implies some sort of consciousness separate from the physical mind. As I said before, people can be high functioning and still hold insane beliefs. (fantastical beliefs, if you're hung up on the use of the word insane)



I'm cool with your insane beliefs as long as you're cool with mine! ;D
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

#21
February 18, 2011, 02:45:08 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on February 18, 2011, 02:30:04 PM
I'm cool with your insane beliefs as long as you're cool with mine! ;D
You're more than welcome to believe whatever you need to to make it through the day.   :D
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Conan71

#22
February 18, 2011, 03:03:42 PM
Quote from: nathanm on February 18, 2011, 02:45:08 PM
You're more than welcome to believe whatever you need to to make it through the day.   :D

I believe I will have another beer.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Conan71

#23
February 18, 2011, 03:04:57 PM
Quote from: Townsend on February 18, 2011, 01:56:46 PM
Not to be argumentative but from which perspective?

Surely you're not considering him intolerant of Christians when Christians are so tolerant of others.

My point is, if you're not a Christian, (per Christians) you are condemned to an eternity in Hell...unless you practice inclusionism.  Inclusionism can't be right because it destroyed one of the largest churches in the USA and sent the practicing minister to Chicago to find more tolerant peoples.

So tolerance isn't exactly returned by all parties.

If that's not what you meant then excuse me.

That's a very broad stroke.  IMO, it's a small percentage of Christians who hold such extreme and intolerant beliefs.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Hoss

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February 18, 2011, 03:13:20 PM Last Edit: February 18, 2011, 03:19:31 PM by Hoss
Quote from: Conan71 on February 18, 2011, 03:04:57 PM
That's a very broad stroke.  IMO, it's a small percentage of Christians who hold such extreme and intolerant beliefs.

Wow, now let's flip that around about Muslims.  Wait, that can't be right, can it?  Unless you belong to the party of tea.

Edit:  All I'm saying with this, is that in some cases, we practice a little bit of 'double standards' when it comes to the major religions.  The minorities of each religion are the kooks, it just seems, to me anyway, that Christians are more quick to generalize the entire religion of Islam as extremists.

Conan71

#25
February 18, 2011, 03:24:24 PM
Quote from: Hoss on February 18, 2011, 03:13:20 PM
Wow, now let's flip that around about Muslims.  Wait, that can't be right, can it?  Unless you belong to the party of tea.

Edit:  All I'm saying with this, is that in some cases, we practice a little bit of 'double standards' when it comes to the major religions.  The minorities of each religion are the kooks, it just seems, to me anyway, that Christians are more quick to generalize the entire religion of Islam as extremists.

Tolerance rarely gets coverage on the news, it's not sexy and it doesn't sell advertising.  If all someone has to go on when it comes to Islam in the Middle East is what they see on the news, they will assume all Muslims are out burning American flags and calling Christians infidels. 

Aside from tolerance there's also the issue of respect, but that's another kettle of fish. 
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

#26
February 18, 2011, 03:42:44 PM
Quote from: Conan71 on February 18, 2011, 03:03:42 PM
I believe I will have another beer.

Amen!

Can I get a hallelujah?
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

#27
February 19, 2011, 01:42:01 AM
If this is inappropriate for this thread, blame the Marshall's:

"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

heironymouspasparagus

#28
February 22, 2011, 08:39:22 PM
Hoss,
It's because "We" are always the good guys and "They" are always the bad guys.
No matter which other religion it is.



"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

ZYX

#29
February 22, 2011, 10:18:50 PM
QuoteYes, actually. I have no problem with allowing people to practice their woo. Nor do I have a personal problem with people who can segregate woo from day-to-day reality. Tolerance does not mean refusing to see things that are in front of your face. It means allowing people to do/believe things no matter how stupid you think such things are.

If you are so tolerant, then why do you insist on calling everything against your beliefs stupid? I am a Christian, and do not consider my beliefs to be stupid, or myself insane. I have a number of friends who are not Christian, and I have never once thought of them to be stupid or insane. Just because someone's beliefs go against yours, it does not certify them as insane.
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