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Started by nathanm, February 21, 2011, 09:17:17 PM

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Conan71

Quote from: Teatownclown on March 24, 2011, 11:57:41 AM
It's an intervention.

We're dealing with a crazy man....he takes drugs and has a personal blonde. He's bullying innocents trying to depose of him. He's not Sheen. But yet again, case precedent is Ronald Reagan. His bombing missions weren't war. And he bailed on Lebanon and ran away. So let's be clear, Obomba did what Newt and his little followers said he should do with a "no fly zone" (maybe Obomba knew he was referring to the zipping zone on Newts crotch).. ...wait a minute. Newt now thinks differently?


http://www.politicsplus.org/blog/?p=4385 Olberdusche is BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


The same could be said for Iraq.  100's of 1000's of Kurds would agree if they were still alive. 

Rwanda anyone?

"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Gaspar

Quote from: Conan71 on March 24, 2011, 12:07:33 PM
The same could be said for Iraq.  100's of 1000's of Kurds would agree if they were still alive. 

Rwanda anyone?



No thanks, I stopped smoking.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

guido911

Quote from: Townsend on March 24, 2011, 11:01:02 AM
Looks like the ol' 180 skiddoo has taken place in regards to how people are looking at military practices with the change in administration.

I agree with that. Bush's wars? All wrongful, illegal and immoral. Obama's wars? Justified, necessary, and entirely lawful.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

guido911

Here's an interesting take on Obama and Bush's wars.

http://bigpeace.com/shazlett/2011/03/22/iraq-vs-libya-exposing-left-wing-hypocrisy/

I especially like the graph at the end (though a colorable argument can be made that it is incomplete)
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Townsend

Quote from: guido911 on March 24, 2011, 12:41:51 PM
I agree with that. Bush's wars? All wrongful, illegal and immoral. Obama's wars? Justified, necessary, and entirely lawful.

And your god was wrong.

Cats Cats Cats

#140
"3. America Has No Clear Exit Strategy"

Good news, we already exited.  http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42247045/ns/world_news-mideastn_africa/   Now Nato needs an exit strategy.  Granted we didn't enter, just threw rocks from across the fence.  We probably should have started this when the rebels started up.  Instead of when their backs were against the wall.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on March 24, 2011, 12:41:51 PM
I agree with that. Bush's wars? All wrongful, illegal and immoral. Obama's wars? Justified, necessary, and entirely lawful.
Have you been smoking grass? Have you already forgotten Afghanistan?
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Quote from: nathanm on March 26, 2011, 01:15:25 AM
Have you been smoking grass? Have you already forgotten Afghanistan?

What about Afghanistan should I be remembering?
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

nathanm

Quote from: guido911 on March 26, 2011, 09:09:46 AM
What about Afghanistan should I be remembering?
Think about how it might relate to your dig against liberals in the part of your post I quoted.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

guido911

Well isn't this nice. Libya was no imminent threat to the U.S. says, you guessed it, the Dept. of Defense Secretary.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/defense-secretary-libya-did-not-pose-threat-to-us-was-not-vital-national-interest-to-intervene.html

Breathlessly awaiting the Obama reach-arounders response.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Gaspar

Quote from: guido911 on March 27, 2011, 12:43:57 PM
Well isn't this nice. Libya was no imminent threat to the U.S. says, you guessed it, the Dept. of Defense Secretary.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2011/03/defense-secretary-libya-did-not-pose-threat-to-us-was-not-vital-national-interest-to-intervene.html

Breathlessly awaiting the Obama reach-arounders response.

Anticipating it tonight.  A strong speech from the president on the de facto reasons for our actions.  I am sure that he will line out the reasons clearly in a 1. 2. 3. manner and be concise about level of involvement and exit strategy for our support assets as well as the special forces on the ground.

Typically this kind of speech comes before military action, or on the eve of a strike, but he was out of town.  The speech will only be 20 minutes, so he will have to make his points early and clearly. 

Not sure why only 20 minutes for such an important or anticipated address, but I'm sure there's a dinner in honor of "The Situation" or something that he has to get to.  Typically I would visit Whitehouse.gov and look at his schedule, but they've stopped posting the presidential schedule for President Obama.

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

RecycleMichael

You criticize the President before he speaks by questioning how long his speech is anticipated to last?

Wow.

Why don't you criticize what you think he will be wearing? Don't forget to criticize in advance the lighting in the room and your negative thoughts on his eyebrows. How come he entered the room walking instead of running to the podium? Oh look, the President only spoke in English. He must not be able to communicate to millions of Americans in their native language.

How dare he have a name with more vowels than consonants. He probably will use big words when he surely knows that many Americans don't have high school degrees. I know, I will criticize him for waiting till nighttime to speak. He knows that seniors go to bed early and he must be trying to hide something from them.



Power is nothing till you use it.

Gaspar

Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 28, 2011, 08:45:36 AM
You criticize the President before he speaks by questioning how long his speech is anticipated to last?

Wow.

Why don't you criticize what you think he will be wearing? Don't forget to criticize in advance the lighting in the room and your negative thoughts on his eyebrows. How come he entered the room walking instead of running to the podium? Oh look, the President only spoke in English. He must not be able to communicate to millions of Americans in their native language.

How dare he have a name with more vowels than consonants. He probably will use big words when he surely knows that many Americans don't have high school degrees. I know, I will criticize him for waiting till nighttime to speak. He knows that seniors go to bed early and he must be trying to hide something from them.


I'm not alone, and there is equal scrutiny coming from the left and the right on this late speech.  I did not criticize, I simply laid out what I anticipate, or at least what I think would be logical for the president to discuss. 

I may be wrong, he may take the time to discuss his brackets, but I am hopeful that he will address the issues that EVERYONE wants to hear about. 

1. Level of involvement.
2. Timescale.
3. Endgame (What is the goal?)

The third point is the most important since there have been so many conflicting reports.  Do we intend to get rid of Gaddafi?  Was this just a hit-and-run so that the rebels can gain an upper hand?  What do we do if Gaddafi remains in power?  Now that we've learned that Al Qaeda is fighting with the rebels, do we continue to provide support?

I will hold off any further criticism until tomorrow. :-X

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

Quote from: RecycleMichael on March 28, 2011, 08:45:36 AM
You criticize the President before he speaks by questioning how long his speech is anticipated to last?

Wow.

Why don't you criticize what you think he will be wearing? Don't forget to criticize in advance the lighting in the room and your negative thoughts on his eyebrows. How come he entered the room walking instead of running to the podium? Oh look, the President only spoke in English. He must not be able to communicate to millions of Americans in their native language.

How dare he have a name with more vowels than consonants. He probably will use big words when he surely knows that many Americans don't have high school degrees. I know, I will criticize him for waiting till nighttime to speak. He knows that seniors go to bed early and he must be trying to hide something from them.



If we go by their rule book for when Bush was in office we could call these folks "anti-American" and "he hates our country".

Townsend

Quote from: guido911 on March 27, 2011, 12:43:57 PM
Breathlessly awaiting the Obama reach-arounders response.

For someone with big hate you come off very small.