Paul Ryan's 2012 Budget

[guido911]

$4.4T over 10 years? In my very humble opinion, the debate over gigantic cuts in federal spending will probably rival that of Obamacare:

Republicans will present this week a 2012 budget proposal that would cut more than $4 trillion from federal spending projected over the next decade and transform the Medicare health program for the elderly, a move that will dramatically reshape the budget debate in Washington.

The budget has been prepared by Rep. Paul Ryan, a Wisconsin Republican and the new chairman of the House Budget Committee, and it represents the most complete attempt so far by Republicans to make good on their promises during the 2010 midterm elections to cut government spending and deficits.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703806304576240751124518520.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_editorsPicks_2

[guido911]

Drudge is reporting $5.8T.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/05/usa-budget-cuts-idUSN0429071020110405

[we vs us]

Kudos to Ryan for allowing himself to be point man on the final push to utterly dismantle our social safety net. 

Wasn't $4T just about the cost of the Bush tax cuts over ten years?

[guido911]

Kudos to Ryan for allowing himself to be point man on the final push to utterly dismantle our social safety net. 

Wasn't $4T just about the cost of the Bush tax cuts over ten years?

I was thinking that was the amount Obama dropped on us in just 2 years..

[we vs us]

I was thinking that was the amount Obama dropped on us in just 2 years..

Funny how, by going back to the old Clinton tax structure we could wipe out the same amount as if we killed Medicare.   

[guido911]

Funny how, by going back to the old Clinton tax structure we could wipe out the same amount as if we killed Medicare.   

What would that result be? People other than yourself picking up the tab? 

[nathanm]

What would that result be? People other than yourself picking up the tab? 

I can't speak for we vs us, but I'd pay more under the pre-Bush tax structure. Most everyone would, and that's OK with me.

Of course, Ryan's plan has one enormous gaping hole that turns it into an utter disaster: Medicare. He basically proposes that we expand the least efficient and most wasteful part of Medicare and pretend it will save money. Advantage didn't work. I know it contradicts the right wing ideology, but it's a simple fact that Advantage costs the government more and doesn't result in better care.

For this reason, it's plainly obvious that Ryan's plan is not a serious proposal, no matter how much you or the media or Ryan himself would like it to be.

[guido911]

Of course, Ryan's plan has one enormous gaping hole that turns it into an utter disaster: Medicare. He basically proposes that we expand the least efficient and most wasteful part of Medicare and pretend it will save money. Advantage didn't work. I know it contradicts the right wing ideology, but it's a simple fact that Advantage costs the government more and doesn't result in better care.

Please source this stuff.

[guido911]

Looks like there is going to be a real chance of a government shutdown soon.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/153885-cantor-says-white-house-rejects-deal-raising-chances-of-shutdown

[nathanm]

Please source this stuff.

Read what's been written about his plan for Medicare. Read the CBO reports on Advantage. You'll get it.

[Townsend]

Looks like there is going to be a real chance of a government shutdown soon.

http://thehill.com/homenews/house/153885-cantor-says-white-house-rejects-deal-raising-chances-of-shutdown

Because of what Cantor says or are you in on the meetings with Boehner and Obama?

Is Boehner going to have to do what the teaparty says?  They'll have to shut'er down instead of work something out?

[Townsend]

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/04/05/135143494/white-house-budget-meeting-underway?ft=1&f=1001&sc=tw&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

Looks like the Republicans can't get it together.  Gotta place blame somewhere.  Might as well just blame them for it happening like last time.  

Where's Newt?

[guido911]

Because of what Cantor says or are you in on the meetings with Boehner and Obama?

Is Boehner going to have to do what the teaparty says?  They'll have to shut'er down instead of work something out?

Fine wise@ss, here's another source.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/obama-administration-moving-forward-with-government-shutdown-plans/2011/04/04/AFodFdfC_blog.html

Now unless you are in on meetings with Obama and Reid, what source do you have that's has differing information? Because from what I read, the House has submitted a one week fix. Have you seen a counteroffer?

And as for your swipe at the tea party, so you think only they are in favor of cutting spending? Way to parrot Schumer, though.

[Townsend]

And as for your swipe at the tea party, so you think only they are in favor of cutting spending? Way to parrot Schumer, though.

How was that a swipe at the teaparty?  They've got real power over the GOP apparently. 

[carltonplace]

Go ahead and kill Medicare...instead of taking care of those that can't afford healthcare get preventive care with our taxes we can just pay for their emergency room visits with our insurance premium increases.