Frack Off

[Teatownclown]

 If these chemicals are so safe, let's see Congress add them to their own drinking water.

Fracking Chemicals Cited in Congressional Report Stay Underground
http://www.thewashingtoncurrent.com/2011/04/fracking-chemicals-cited-in.html

How deep?

[DolfanBob]

I watched this new show recently and they were also Fracking. It is a procedure of drilling so far down, then putting in concrete so the drill bit will spear off to the side of the concrete and drill sideways into the gas pocket.
Kind of interesting how they were doing it. But it sure was giving them hell to do it.

[Teatownclown]

I watched this new show recently and they were also Fracking. It is a procedure of drilling so far down, then putting in concrete so the drill bit will spear off to the side of the concrete and drill sideways into the gas pocket.
Kind of interesting how they were doing it. But it sure was giving them hell to do it.

It was once considered criminal to drill horizontal into another property.

I would have no problem with the Frack if there were regulations with stiff oversight and away from any water tables.

What's in that juice?

[Conan71]

It was once considered criminal to drill horizontal into another property.

I would have no problem with the Frack if there were regulations with stiff oversight and away from any water tables.

What's in that juice?

There's major changes and much safer technology on the horizon.  And it's coming from somewhere right around these parts.

[Red Arrow]

It was once considered criminal to drill horizontal into another property.

Let's drill to Cuba.

[Conan71]

It was once considered criminal to drill horizontal into another property.

You mean like drilling into a neighbor's wife?

[tulsa_fan]

Quote from: DolfanBob on Today at 01:52:51 pm I watched this new show recently and they were also Fracking. It is a procedure of drilling so far down, then putting in concrete so the drill bit will spear off to the side of the concrete and drill sideways into the gas pocket.  Kind of interesting how they were doing it. But it sure was giving them hell to do it.

That sounds more like horiztonal drilling.  After a well is drilled you usually perforate the gas zones, which shoots little holes into the casing and openings up the rocks/shals where the gas zone is.  After that, you "frac", by pumping chemicals and water or gels into the wellbore which flows into the holes you created by perf'ng and the holes the gas come out of are extended so you get more gas out of your hole.  This is happening several thousand feet (like 12,000' in the case of the woodford shale here in Oklahoma) below ground.

When doing a permit for drilling wells, you must check the depth of water aquifers in the area, the most I've seen them go down to are 1,000'.  I have a hard time believing what is going on that far below the water table is actually hurting our water.  I think its just more chicken little.  And OKlahomans for sure should be educating themselves, oil & gas creates enormous numbers of jobs and revenues for our state.

I was in Midland for a business trip and the crew that films Black Gold was staying at my hotel, it was very interesting to talk with them, several of whom had also filmed the Deadliest Catch!

[dbacks fan]

You mean like drilling into a neighbor's wife?

[dbacks fan]

Hydraulic fracturing has been used in the US since the 40's, and the US Gov't expiremented with 30kiloton nuclear bombs in CO in the 70's to try an get at natural gas deposits.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydraulic_fracturing

The final PNE blast took place on 17 May 1973, under Fawn Creek, 76.4 km north of Grand Junction, Colorado. Three 30 kiloton detonations took place simultaneously at depths of 1,758, 1,875, and 2,015 meters. It was the third nuclear explosion experiment intended to stimulate the flow of natural gas from "tight" formation gas fields. Industrial participants included the El Paso Natural Gas Company for the Gasbuggy test; Austral Oil Company; CER Geonuclear Corporation for the Rulison test; and CER Geonuclear Corporation for the Rio Blanco test.




If it was successful, plans called for the use of hundreds of specialized nuclear explosives in the western Rockies gas fields. The previous two tests had indicated that the produced natural gas would be too radioactive for safe use. After the test it was found that the blast cavities had not connected as hoped, and the resulting gas still contained unacceptable levels of radionuclides.[4]

By 1974, approximately $82 million had been invested in the nuclear gas stimulation technology program. It was estimated that even after 25 years of gas production of all the natural gas deemed recoverable, that only 15 to 40 percent of the investment could be recovered.

Also, the concept that stove burners in California might soon emit trace amounts of blast radionuclides into family homes did not sit well with the general public. The contaminated well gas was never channeled into commercial supply lines.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare

[nathanm]

Hydraulic fracturing has been used in the US since the 40's, and the US Gov't expiremented with 30kiloton nuclear bombs in CO in the 70's to try an get at natural gas deposits.

There are significant differences between what we were drilling into in the 40s (and how) and what we're drilling into these days. The formations are much thinner and are only economical to produce precisely because they drill through it horizontally for a few miles. They're also much less porous, thus the fracking.

Some folks are blowing the risks way out of proportion, unfortunately. Are there problems? Sure, but that's more to do with a lack of regulation requiring companies to recover all the fluids and dispose of them properly. Most do it right because it's good business in the long run, but there are a few who play fast and loose and are ruining it for all the good operators.

[Hoss]

There are significant differences between what we were drilling into in the 40s (and how) and what we're drilling into these days. The formations are much thinner and are only economical to produce precisely because they drill through it horizontally for a few miles. They're also much less porous, thus the fracking.

Some folks are blowing the risks way out of proportion, unfortunately. Are there problems? Sure, but that's more to do with a lack of regulation requiring companies to recover all the fluids and dispose of them properly. Most do it right because it's good business in the long run, but there are a few who play fast and loose and are ruining it for all the good operators.

GasLand

I saw this movie on HBO a couple of months ago.  While I'm sure what the subjects in this documentary go through are extreme (three families I believe were visited by the producer/director of the movie who could, literally, light their running well water faucets aflame due to the NG seepage into their well water).

And I usually don't side on the case of moonbatism, but in this case, where there some smoke, there might be fire.  No pun intended.

[Teatownclown]

Well lookey here!

Documents: Industry Privately Skeptical of Shale Gas
Over the past six months, The New York Times reviewed thousands of pages of documents related to shale gas, including hundreds of industry e-mails, internal agency documents and reports by analysts. A selection of these documents is included here; names and identifying information have been redacted to protect the confidentiality of sources, many of whom were not authorized by their employers to communicate with The Times.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/us/natural-gas-drilling-down-documents-4-intro.html?ref=us
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/us/natural-gas-drilling-down-documents-4.html#document/p1/

[Conan71]

So far, I read a bunch of speculation and without names being revealed, there's ZERO accountability to their statements.  If oil companies want to blow their profits on uneconomical shale drilling, BFD.  It's keeping people in high-paying jobs.

Only issue I've got with it is harmful fracking practices.  If they use the cleaner available technologies, again, BFD.

I suspect a lot of current oil profits are being used to drill in these formations and the gas will not be extracted until gas prices come up.  JMO.

[nathanm]

The problem with the shale plays is that the flow falls off very, very quickly. (and I have the royalty checks to prove it. )

[Teatownclown]

The problem with the shale plays is that the flow falls off very, very quickly. (and I have the royalty checks to prove it. )

You sure it's not being shut in due to a stagnant economy?