The Holly Refinery is on fire..................Happy Earth Day!

[patric]

Yesterdays fire was being used as an excuse to jack the prices up a dime in the past few hours.

From KRMG:
Refinery fire could cause spike in prices at the pump
By Steve Berg  http://www.krmg.com/news/news/local/refinery-fire-could-cause-spike-prices-pump/nP85g/

Gasoline industry watchers say the overnight fire at the Holly Refinery in West Tulsa could cause a small, short-term spike in gas prices at local gas stations.

Area gas stations get a significant portion of their gasoline from the Holly Refinery.

Patrick DeHaan at GasBuddy.com says it shouldn't be too extreme, probably less than ten cents per gallon.

"Maybe two to eight cents over the next couple of days," DeHaan said.

As for how long the spike would last, he said it depends on how bad the damage was at the refinery and how long it takes to repair it.

He said damage could decrease the refinery's flexibility in producing different kinds of products.

KRMG News talked to one local gasoline wholesaler who said he hasn't seen any major disruptions in their distribution chain.

He says they can get gasoline from different sources, such as the Magellan terminal, which have a good supply of gasoline in storage that comes from other refineries, such as those on the Gulf Coast.


I call B.S.
By agreement with the EPA, none of the gasoline produced at the refinery is sold here in Tulsa, since we have to use a special low RVP blend that comes from the Gulf of Mexico.

[nathanm]

I love price gouging.

[Hoss]

I love price gouging.

Because a spokesman from gasbuddy.com is a solid source. 

[Conan71]

you can't back that up as usual....

As usual, you make it too easy:

Why is secondhand smoke a problem?
Secondhand smoke causes cancer

Secondhand smoke is classified as a "known human carcinogen" (cancer-causing agent) by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA), the US National Toxicology Program, and the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC), a branch of the World Health Organization.

Tobacco smoke contains more than 7,000 chemical compounds. More than 250 of these chemicals are known to be harmful, and at least 69 are known to cause cancer.

SHS has been linked to lung cancer. There is also some evidence suggesting it may be linked with childhood leukemia and cancers of the larynx (voice box), pharynx (throat), brain, bladder, rectum, stomach, and breast.

Secondhand smoke and breast cancer

Whether SHS increases the risk of breast cancer is an issue that is still being studied. Both mainstream and SHS contain about 20 chemicals that, in high concentrations, cause breast cancer in rodents. And we know that in humans, chemicals from tobacco smoke reach breast tissue and are found in breast milk.

But a link between SHS and breast cancer risk in human studies is still being debated. This is partly because breast cancer risk has not been shown to be increased in active smokers. One possible explanation for this is that tobacco smoke may have different effects on breast cancer risk in smokers and in those who are exposed to SHS.

A report from the California Environmental Protection Agency in 2005 concluded that the evidence regarding SHS and breast cancer is "consistent with a causal association" in younger women. This means the SHS acts as if it could be a cause of breast cancer in these women. The 2006 US Surgeon General's report, The Health Consequences of Involuntary Exposure to Tobacco Smoke, found that there is "suggestive but not sufficient" evidence of a link at this point.

Research is still being done, but women should be told that this possible link to breast cancer is yet another reason to avoid being around SHS.

Secondhand smoke causes other kinds of diseases and deaths

Secondhand smoke can cause harm in many ways. Each year in the United States alone, it is responsible for:

An estimated 46,000 deaths from heart disease in people who are current non-smokers

About 3,400 nonsmoking adults die of lung cancer as a result of breathing SHS

Worse asthma and asthma -related problems in up to 1 million asthmatic children

Between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in children under 18 months of age, and lung infections resulting in 7,500 to 15,000 hospitalizations each year

http://www.cancer.org/Cancer/CancerCauses/TobaccoCancer/secondhand-smoke

While refineries may release known carcinogens in their emissions, they are easily dispersed by the wind and Tulsa does not have near the problem the Houston region does.  Being in a closed space with cigarette smoke is far more harmful for your health than jogging by the refineries on Tulsa's west bank.

http://www.environmentalintegrity.org/pdf/publications/Refinery_Report_4_31507_0405pm.pdf

Vehicle exhausts emit the same carcinogens.  Good luck moving away from that unless you moved to someplace like Catalina Island or Venice Italy and you still have diesel and gasoline fumes from boats.

[RecycleMichael]

I call B.S.
By agreement with the EPA, none of the gasoline produced at the refinery is sold here in Tulsa, since we have to use a special low RVP blend that comes from the Gulf of Mexico.

I don't know where you got that information. The Holly refinery does indeed make low RVP gas that is sold in Tulsa.

[Teatownclown]

As usual, you make it too easy:

While refineries may release known carcinogens in their emissions, they are easily dispersed by the wind and Tulsa does not have near the problem the Houston region does.  Being in a closed space with cigarette smoke is far more harmful for your health than jogging by the refineries on Tulsa's west bank.

http://www.environmentalintegrity.org/pdf/publications/Refinery_Report_4_31507_0405pm.pdf

Vehicle exhausts emit the same carcinogens.  Good luck moving away from that unless you moved to someplace like Catalina Island or Venice Italy and you still have diesel and gasoline fumes from boats.

3400?

That's minuscule.

Don't believe everything you read from the MIC....

How to lie with statistics if you only knew how to measure up.

[Gaspar]

I don't know where you got that information. The Holly refinery does indeed make low RVP gas that is sold in Tulsa.

That is correct.  They supply RVP=7.8 .  Holly represents a significant portion of the local gasoline and diesel contracts!

[Conan71]

That is correct.  They supply RVP=7.8 .  Holly represents a significant portion of the local gasoline and diesel contracts!

But only at the east facility (former Sinclair), right?  Isn't the west facility (former Sunoco) lubricants and diesel only?

[Conan71]

3400?

That's minuscule.

Don't believe everything you read from the MIC....

How to lie with statistics if you only knew how to measure up.

Of course, you discount other lung injuries from personal smoking.

You are far more likely to die in a car crash than die as a result of breathing the air somewhere around a refinery.  Why do you drive a car?

[RecycleMichael]

But only at the east facility (former Sinclair), right?  Isn't the west facility (former Sunoco) lubricants and diesel only?

No. The west side makes everything, including aviation gas. What they make depends on demand.

And now, the two plants are connected. They quietly built a new underground pipeline that connects the two refineries. They are also making application to combine the two facilities under one permit.

[Teatownclown]

Of course, you discount other lung injuries from personal smoking.

You are far more likely to die in a car crash than die as a result of breathing the air somewhere around a refinery.  Why do you drive a car?

Same odds getting killed in a car as in getting shot by a gun....why do you own a gun?

[Teatownclown]

No. The west side makes everything, including aviation gas. What they make depends on demand.

And now, the two plants are connected. They quietly built a new underground pipeline that connects the two refineries. They are also making application to combine the two facilities under one permit.

UMMMM,  corporate inefficiencies of scale and mystery for those that breathe their toxins.

Can you give us a cost/benefit analysis?

[Conan71]

Same odds getting killed in a car as in getting shot by a gun....why do you own a gun?

Same reason I don't sit in smoky bars.

[Townsend]

Same reason I don't sit in smoky bars.

Don't want to be killed by someone else?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Same odds getting killed in a car as in getting shot by a gun....why do you own a gun?

Sort of....over half the gun deaths are suicide - intentional.  And while one can certainly make the case that half the car deaths are "suicide" because some idiot chose to drive drunk, they certainly aren't intentional.

So if guns weren't available and suicides chose to use a car, car deaths would go up by 50%.

Not much of an argument, ttc.