Guns in the river

[Gaspar]

Sooo....we have an agreement. 7pm? $100?

Sounds like a deal!

[TheArtist]

Just read this thread and it got me wondering...  Lets say, theoretically speaking of course, that an old roomie moved out and left some items for they couldn't pack and mail everything to their new place out of state, including some sort of what you assume is likely a bb gun they got at Wallyworld in a plastic case.  10 years or so later you still have the thing down in some storage closet gathering dust and decide to take a peek.  The case is locked but you can easily pry the middle part open since its plastic and see that it says "Martin" and some wording about being sure to use 22 long cartriges.  It feels very lightweight so doesn't seem like it could be something all that dangerous.  You have no idea how to get ahold of the old roomie and they didn't seem all that interested in keeping the item in the first place.

Could this "theoretical" person who has the item now get in trouble for it?  If they find the old roomie, can you mail such an item to them?  Or should you just throw it away "or throw it in the river lol".  Does it sound like the type of gun that has to be registered? What to do?

[Gaspar]

Just read this thread and it got me wondering...  Lets say, theoretically speaking of course, that an old roomie moved out and left some items for they couldn't pack and mail everything to their new place out of state, including some sort of what you assume is likely a bb gun they got at Wallyworld in a plastic case.  10 years or so later you still have the thing down in some storage closet gathering dust and decide to take a peek.  The case is locked but you can easily pry the middle part open since its plastic and see that it says "Martin" and some wording about being sure to use 22 long cartriges.  It feels very lightweight so doesn't seem like it could be something all that dangerous.  You have no idea how to get ahold of the old roomie and they didn't seem all that interested in keeping the item in the first place.

Could this "theoretical" person who has the item now get in trouble for it?  If they find the old roomie, can you mail such an item to them?  Or should you just throw it away "or throw it in the river lol".  Does it sound like the type of gun that has to be registered? What to do?

The way I understand it. . .If it is a handgun and not your property, you must return it or register it.  If you mail it across the border you are committing a completely different crime, unless you mail it to a registered dealer where your roomie can pick it up.

[Conan71]

Or let's look at it entirely another way.  If you aren't the sort of person who is on the BATFE radar screen and the TPD doesn't know or care who you are, you are not going to get in trouble for having that gun in your possession. 

To my knowledge a friend or family member could "gift" you a gun.  However, if that weapon is ever used in a crime, it's going to be traced back to the person who gave it to you and they may have to do some explaining as to the chain of custody after it left their possession. 

All I know is I'm legally in possession of every weapon I own under current laws.  I appreciate Gaspar's by the book approach, don't get me wrong, but don't lose sleep over this hypothetical .22 in the basement.  Too bad it's not something sexier like a Colt AR-15

[heironymouspasparagus]

You cannot mail it at all.  Only an FFL holder can mail to another FFL holder.

There is NO registration required, either Federal OR state for the conditions you mention.  Transfer between two individuals requires no notification of anyone.  No registration.  It IS a good idea to get a receipt if you buy from someone.

If that person abandoned it and you make a good faith effort to return it and cannot, it's yours.  Check with one of the gun shops if you have questions.  Second Hand Rose on east 2nd.  Tulsa Firearms at 58th & Garnet.  Dong's Sporting goods.  (I wouldn't bother with Academy, Bass Pro, or Walmart.)

[AquaMan]

I've seen a lot of things in the water, including mermaids in my younger days, but it seems that stuff like this is more common:



Never seen a gun, though.

A partial list of what I saw just yards from the new restaurant: lawn chairs, deck chairs, lots of clothing, a 10speed bike, a tricycle, a shopping cart, a 10 stall bike rack, shoes, hats, lots of rebar sticking up and out of concrete (rowing crew beware!), a traffic barrel, one tire, lots of bedding, packs and camping material right under the first arch of the bridge with signs of recent habitation, scores of liquor bottles, and of course...two guns.

This is not only unseemly for what is called the "crown jewel" of the city but it is likely very unhealthy and unsafe. It stinks down there.

I have spent much of the last decade up and down the river from Keystone to the low water dam and this is the worst I've ever seen. If the mayor wants to truly be known as the river development mayor haul his staff down their for some photo ops and organize a clean up. If the RPA, the city and the county can't keep up with an area adjacent to their star development on the river then it bodes badly for future development.

[TeeDub]

I still don't understand what this registration is that people keep talking about.   


We do live in Oklahoma right?    I mean granted we scored 2/100 but don't tell me those two require every weapon to be registered.
http://www.bradycampaign.org/stategunlaws/scorecard/OK/

[jne]

Any purchase or exchange (handgun) at a gun show goes through the exact same background check.  When you purchase a handgun at a gun show, you do not leave with that weapon.  It is transfered to a local dealer and you pay a small fee for the check.  After 5 days you can pick up the weapon.  Any purchase or exchange of handguns by non-dealers still require registration.  Anyone participating as a collector or exhibitor at a gun show must have a dealer's permit or be operating under the permit of a local dealer. 

I love gun shows!

Have you ever actually been to a gun show?...

[Conan71]

And, BTW, if anyone ever decides to sell a gun at a gun show or to another individual, make sure you get full identification if you don't know them personally.

[Hoss]

Have you ever actually been to a gun show?...

I hate saying this, but I went to the Wanamacher show several years ago with a friend of mine who is no longer with us.

I felt the need to clean the redneck off me when I got home....

[heironymouspasparagus]

Ahhhh....poor Hoss!!!  Getting in touch with your inner redneck!!  It is good for you!  Relax, embrace it, and just enjoy the ride.
Not to mention the stress relief you can get in a satisfying 30 minute session at a shooting range!  It is cathartic!.
Plus you might become able to defend yourself should the need ever arise - God forbid!!


Receipt I mentioned earlier should have the ID Conan mentioned jsut above on it.  Their signature shows they agree with the information.  If they are unwilling, don't do the deal.  Not worth it.

[Conan71]

Ahhhh....poor Hoss!!!  Getting in touch with your inner redneck!!  It is good for you!  Relax, embrace it, and just enjoy the ride.
Not to mention the stress relief you can get in a satisfying 30 minute session at a shooting range!  It is cathartic!.
Plus you might become able to defend yourself should the need ever arise - God forbid!!


Receipt I mentioned earlier should have the ID Conan mentioned jsut above on it.  Their signature shows they agree with the information.  If they are unwilling, don't do the deal.  Not worth it.

If you really want to get in touch with your inner redneck go to a dirt track stock car race over in Arkansas.

[AngieB]

http://www.myspace.com/redmeatcountry/music/songs/inner-redneck-72357739

Red Meat - awesome honky tonk from San Francisco. Hometown Tulsa boy on drums.

[Hoss]

Ahhhh....poor Hoss!!!  Getting in touch with your inner redneck!!  It is good for you!  Relax, embrace it, and just enjoy the ride.
Not to mention the stress relief you can get in a satisfying 30 minute session at a shooting range!  It is cathartic!.
Plus you might become able to defend yourself should the need ever arise - God forbid!!


Receipt I mentioned earlier should have the ID Conan mentioned jsut above on it.  Their signature shows they agree with the information.  If they are unwilling, don't do the deal.  Not worth it.

I'm a gun man, no doubt about that.  I don't put myself in the 'redneck' category though, for obvious reasons.

And the worst I ever had about 'washing off the redneck' was when my flying buddy and I went to Alexandria LA for another one of those "$100 hamburgers".  Except it was a BBQ place that escapes me now.  Yeah.  Try NW semi-rural Louisiana.  I needed a LOT of redneck soap then.  And in the distance, someone was playing "Deliverance" on the banjo.....

[buckeye]

Gaspar's a little pedantic and somewhat off the mark here.

There's no such thing as "registering" a handgun in Oklahoma.  When you buy a gun from a dealer, they run a quick background check with the Feds and keep the paperwork.  They're required to keep said paperwork for a certain length of time (twenty years, I think) and required to turn it all over to the Feds if they cease operations before then.  So one -could- call that registration in a certain way of thinking, although that's not ostensibly what that it is...  Wear a foil hat or not, your choice.  The TPD does not keep a master list of who owns which handguns (-that- would be registration), they'd at least need to get permission to rummage through FFL records (the aforementioned background check).  They do keep a list of serial numbers from guns reported as stolen.

Sales, trades or gifts between two residents of OK do not require any kind of paperwork whatsoever.  Some people like to write up a little bill of sale between the two parties, but it's my understanding that such a thing is more or less useless without a notary and whatnot to make it a legally useful document.  No registration, no background check, no government nose in your business.  There is still a little freedom left.