Economic Reality

[Gaspar]

. . .and Geithner is the only one left of the original economic dream team.  Many are contending that President Obama has to get rid of him this year in order to formulate a good scapegoat for economic disaster.  I don't think that will happen.  I think there is so much pride that President Obama will continue to pump up his aura of blame on previous administrations, Greece, the EU, China, The filthy rich, Santa, bigfoot, chupacabras, and space aliens.

He will take no fault in anything, and it will be golf business as usual.

Any reports of economic downturn will be "unexpected" by the media.

[Hoss]

. . .and Geithner is the only one left of the original economic dream team.  Many are contending that President Obama has to get rid of him this year in order to formulate a good scapegoat for economic disaster.  I don't think that will happen.  I think there is so much pride that President Obama will continue to pump up his aura of blame on previous administrations, Greece, the EU, China, The filthy rich, Santa, bigfoot, chupacabras, and space aliens.

He will take no fault in anything, and it will be golf business as usual.

Any reports of economic downturn will be "unexpected" by the media.

"now, watch this drive"...

[Conan71]

. . .and Geithner is the only one left of the original economic dream team.  Many are contending that President Obama has to get rid of him this year in order to formulate a good scapegoat for economic disaster.  I don't think that will happen.  I think there is so much pride that President Obama will continue to pump up his aura of blame on previous administrations, Greece, the EU, China, The filthy rich, Santa, bigfoot, chupacabras, and space aliens.

He will take no fault in anything, and it will be golf business as usual.

Any reports of economic downturn will be "unexpected" by the media.

All fine and good, but can you explain the growth in the economy you said wasn't possible with tax cuts and increased government spending under President Bush?

[Hoss]

All fine and good, but can you explain the growth in the economy you said wasn't possible with tax cuts and increased government spending under President Bush?

My guess?  A republican President....

But that's just a guess.  You know me...

[Gaspar]

All fine and good, but can you explain the growth in the economy you said wasn't possible with tax cuts and increased government spending under President Bush?

Sure.  As I mentioned above, the promotion of a business friendly. . .no. . .business-centric economy. 

Bush pushed small business as the foundation of economic growth for the most part until late in his presidency when he hit the "whatever" button.

[dbacks fan]

Bush pushed small business as the foundation of economic growth for the most part until late in his presidency when he hit the "whatever" "I'm Done" button.

FIFY 

[Gaspar]

FIFY 

Yeah, same thing! 

[TheArtist]

All fine and good, but can you explain the growth in the economy you said wasn't possible with tax cuts and increased government spending under President Bush?

Bubble economy in housing and financial sectors (and not just a bubble in the US but elsewhere which also helped our companies export and manufacturing) plus, Borrowed/debt economy (not just the government but its citizens)?

[Gaspar]

Bubble economy in housing and financial sectors (and not just a bubble in the US but elsewhere which also helped our companies export and manufacturing) plus, Borrowed/debt economy (not just the government but its citizens)?

That was a part of it but there was growth in every sector, not just fueled by housing and borrowing.  Of course housing and borrowing were enough to trigger the quake!

But, it's not like that snuck up on us.  Congress, and in particular Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, were warned 17 times that they were fueling a bubble that could take the entire US economy down.

[dbacks fan]

That was a part of it but there was growth in every sector, not just fueled by housing and borrowing.  Of course housing and borrowing were enough to trigger the quake!

But, it's not like that snuck up on us.  Congress, and in particular Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, were warned 17 times that they were fueling a bubble that could take the entire US economy down.

If the House and Senate were under Republican control when the warnings were issued to Frank & Dodd in 2002, how is it this continued until the bubble started to burst in '06, '07' and '08? Why were Frank and Dodd not blocked in their antics with Fannie and Freddie?

[Gaspar]

If the House and Senate were under Republican control when the warnings were issued to Frank & Dodd in 2002, how is it this continued until the bubble started to burst in '06, '07' and '08? Why were Frank and Dodd not blocked in their antics with Fannie and Freddie?

Good question.

2001

April: The Administration's FY02 budget declares that the size of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is "a potential problem," because "financial trouble of a large GSE could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting Federally insured entities and economic activity."

2002

May: The President calls for the disclosure and corporate governance principles contained in his 10-point plan for corporate responsibility to apply to Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.  (OMB Prompt Letter to OFHEO, 5/29/02)

2003

January: Freddie Mac announces it has to restate financial results for the previous three years.

February: The Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) releases a report explaining that "although investors perceive an implicit Federal guarantee of [GSE] obligations," "the government has provided no explicit legal backing for them."  As a consequence, unexpected problems at a GSE could immediately spread into financial sectors beyond the housing market.  ("Systemic Risk: Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac and the Role of OFHEO," OFHEO Report, 2/4/03).

September: Fannie Mae discloses SEC investigation and acknowledges OFHEO's review found earnings manipulations.

September: Treasury Secretary John Snow testifies before the House Financial Services Committee to recommend that Congress enact "legislation to create a new Federal agency to regulate and supervise the financial activities of our housing-related government sponsored enterprises" and set prudent and appropriate minimum capital adequacy requirements.

October: Fannie Mae discloses $1.2 billion accounting error.

November: Council of the Economic Advisers (CEA) Chairman Greg Mankiw explains that any "legislation to reform GSE regulation should empower the new regulator with sufficient strength and credibility to reduce systemic risk."  To reduce the potential for systemic instability, the regulator would have "broad authority to set both risk-based and minimum capital standards" and "receivership powers necessary to wind down the affairs of a troubled GSE."  (N. Gregory Mankiw, Remarks At The Conference Of State Bank Supervisors State Banking Summit And Leadership, 11/6/03).

2004

February: The President's FY05 Budget again highlights the risk posed by the explosive growth of the GSEs and their low levels of required capital, and called for creation of a new, world-class regulator:  "The Administration has determined that the safety and soundness regulators of the housing GSEs lack sufficient power and stature to meet their responsibilities, and therefore...should be replaced with a new strengthened regulator."  (2005 Budget Analytic Perspectives, pg. 83)

February: CEA Chairman Mankiw cautions Congress to "not take [the financial market's] strength for granted."  Again, the call from the Administration was to reduce this risk by "ensuring that the housing GSEs are overseen by an effective regulator."  (N. Gregory Mankiw, Op-Ed, "Keeping Fannie And Freddie's House In Order," Financial Times, 2/24/04).

June: Deputy Secretary of Treasury Samuel Bodman spotlights the risk posed by the GSEs and called for reform, saying "We do not have a world-class system of supervision of the housing government sponsored enterprises (GSEs), even though the importance of the housing financial system that the GSEs serve demands the best in supervision to ensure the long-term vitality of that system.  Therefore, the Administration has called for a new, first class, regulatory supervisor for the three housing GSEs:  Fannie Mae, Freddie Mac, and the Federal Home Loan Banking System."  (Samuel Bodman, House Financial Services Subcommittee on Oversight and Investigations Testimony, 6/16/04).

2005

April: Treasury Secretary John Snow repeats his call for GSE reform, saying "Events that have transpired since I testified before this Committee in 2003 reinforce concerns over the systemic risks posed by the GSEs and further highlight the need for real GSE reform to ensure that our housing finance system remains a strong and vibrant source of funding for expanding homeownership opportunities in America... Half-measures will only exacerbate the risks to our financial system."  (Secretary John W. Snow, "Testimony Before The U.S. House Financial Services Committee," 4/13/05).

2007

July: Two Bear Stearns hedge funds invested in mortgage securities collapse.

August: President Bush emphatically calls on Congress to pass a reform package for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, saying "first things first when it comes to those two institutions.  Congress needs to get them reformed, get them streamlined, get them focused, and then I will consider other options."  (President George W. Bush, Press Conference, The White House, 8/9/07).

September: RealtyTrac announces foreclosure filings up 243,000 in August – up 115 percent from the year before.

September: Single-family existing home sales decreases 7.5 percent from the previous month – the lowest level in nine years.  Median sale price of existing homes fell six percent from the year before.

December: President Bush again warns Congress of the need to pass legislation reforming GSEs, saying "These institutions provide liquidity in the mortgage market that benefits millions of homeowners, and it is vital they operate safely and operate soundly. So I've called on Congress to pass legislation that strengthens independent regulation of the GSEs – and ensures they focus on their important housing mission.  The GSE reform bill passed by the House earlier this year is a good start.  But the Senate has not acted.  And the United States Senate needs to pass this legislation soon."  (President George W. Bush, Discusses Housing, The White House, 12/6/07).

2008

January: Bank of America announces it will buy Countrywide.

January: Citigroup announces mortgage portfolio lost $18.1 billion in value.

February: Assistant Secretary David Nason reiterates the urgency of reforms, says "A new regulatory structure for the housing GSEs is essential if these entities are to continue to perform their public mission successfully."  (David Nason, Testimony On Reforming GSE Regulation, Senate Committee On Banking, Housing And Urban Affairs, 2/7/08).

March: Bear Stearns announces it will sell itself to JPMorgan Chase.

March: President Bush calls on Congress to take action and "move forward with reforms on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. They need to continue to modernize the FHA, as well as allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to homeowners to refinance their mortgages."  (President George W. Bush, Remarks To The Economic Club Of New York, New York, NY, 3/14/08).

April: President Bush urges Congress to pass the much needed legislation and "modernize Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. [There are] constructive things Congress can do that will encourage the housing market to correct quickly by ... helping people stay in their homes."  (President George W. Bush, Meeting With Cabinet, the White House, 4/14/08).

May: President Bush issues several pleas to Congress to pass legislation reforming Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac before the situation deteriorates further.

"Americans are concerned about making their mortgage payments and keeping their homes. Yet Congress has failed to pass legislation I have repeatedly requested to modernize the Federal Housing Administration that will help more families stay in their homes, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance sub-prime loans."   (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/3/08).

"[T]he government ought to be helping creditworthy people stay in their homes. And one way we can do that – and Congress is making progress on this – is the reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. That reform will come with a strong, independent regulator."  (President George W. Bush, Meeting With The Secretary Of The Treasury, the White House, 5/19/08).

"Congress needs to pass legislation to modernize the Federal Housing Administration, reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to ensure they focus on their housing mission, and allow State housing agencies to issue tax-free bonds to refinance subprime loans."  (President George W. Bush, Radio Address, 5/31/08).

June: As foreclosure rates continued to rise in the first quarter, the President once again asks Congress to take the necessary measures to address this challenge, saying "we need to pass legislation to reform Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac."  (President George W. Bush, Remarks At Swearing In Ceremony For Secretary Of Housing And Urban Development, Washington, D.C., 6/6/08).

July: Congress heeds the President's call for action and passes reform of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac as it becomes clear that the institutions are failing.

TOOO LATE!

[guido911]

Apparently ATM and airport kiosks are the reason why our unemployment rate sucks.

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/06/14/obama-blames-atms-high-unemployment

[Townsend]

Apparently ATM and airport kiosks are the reason why our unemployment rate sucks.

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/06/14/obama-blames-atms-high-unemployment

Yes.  He's blaming it only on ATM's and airport kiosks.

Look everyone, G's found the answer!!!   And it was on Fox news all along!!!

Nice job Fox.  Nice job G.

[dbacks fan]

Apparently ATM and airport kiosks are the reason why our unemployment rate sucks.

http://nation.foxnews.com/president-obama/2011/06/14/obama-blames-atms-high-unemployment

[Cats Cats Cats]

All fine and good, but can you explain the growth in the economy you said wasn't possible with tax cuts and increased government spending under President Bush?

2000 about $7,000 billion  
2007 about $13,000 billion

6 trillion in debt is a large boost to the economy.