No Wit and the seven dummies

[RecycleMichael]

Tonight is the republican debate between the seven announced Presidential candidates for the nomination.

They are a sad bunch. No ideas and a non-stop bashing of Obama.

And people wonder how Obama will be re-elected. They are making it easy for him.

[Conan71]

Tonight is the republican debate between the seven announced Presidential candidates for the nomination.

They are a sad bunch. No ideas and a non-stop bashing of Obama.

And people wonder how Obama will be re-elected. They are making it easy for him.

My how quickly you forget.  No different than the Dimocrat candidates in 2004 and 2008.

[Gaspar]

No ideas and a non-stop bashing of Obama.

And people wonder how Obama will be re-elected. They are making it easy for him.

You're right!  We should explore this further. . .

On each of their websites they have a link that says "Issues."  Under this link it breaks down their various strategies on more detailed categories.  Heck, even Michelle Bachman, who hasn't even announced her candidacy has a well developed list of positions on issues.

Looking at their various Facebook pages, they all seem to be engaged in discussion on the primary issues such as the economy, jobs, energy independence, and healthcare.  They all also have strategies on addressing Medicare and the growing financial burdens we face.

I don't agree with all of them, but I definitely have the ability to read, judge, and in many cases respond to their stance on issues in detail.

Now, as I mention in a previous thread, if we direct our browsers to the http://www.barackobama.com site, we have an excellent mechanism for obtaining minions, but absolutely no presentation of of any stance on any issue at all!  It is the campaign of a rock-star.  

If I were undecided and tempted to make a comparison between any of these candidates and our current president, I could not.

If I were simply to apply previous experience with president Obama, I would have to conclude that he has little interest in the important issues unless they involve increased spending, taxation, and government growth.

So, unless it is opposite day, and I did not receive the memo, I don't get the "No ideas" reference above.  It seems that everyone BUT president Obama is presenting ideas.

[Townsend]

My how quickly you forget.  No different than the Dimocrat candidates in 2004 and 2008.

Well, there might be a smidge more Jesus and a lot more conservative catch phrases.

[guido911]

I went ahead and called my senators and rep to have them cancel the 2012 election because of RM's opinion of the current republican field sixteen months before it takes place. And quit your damned whining about how poor wittle Obama is getting picked on.

RM's youtube (an oldie but a goodie):

Here's a thought, try sticking to what you do best. Your early defense of Weiner which also blew up in your face.

[Gaspar]

I think that with any candidate there should be a mechanism for comparison.  It is unfair to the voter to carry on a campaign with without solidifying your position on at least a few of the important topics.

We elect a representative leader based on the ideas they present.  incumbent have an advantage because they can be judged by past performance and new ideas.  If they have spectacular performance (Reagan's second term election) than all they need to do is present a short list on the existing issues.  If they have less than stellar performance, they are expected to present a more comprehensive plan. 

President Obama has offered us the ability to judge his performance only.  So that is what we have.

[RecycleMichael]

I don't want the election to be canceled. I want the republicans to fight it out till the convention then waste millions of dollars promoting another losing candidate.

Please convince me that one of these seven candidates can beat Obama.

[guido911]

I don't want the election to be canceled. I want the republicans to fight it out till the convention then waste millions of dollars promoting another losing candidate.

Please convince me that one of these seven candidates can beat Obama.

I am not even convinced this is the entire field yet. But given the title of this thread, I don't think anyone can convince you of anything when it comes to Republicans. So why bother.

[RecycleMichael]

I am not even convinced this is the entire field yet.

You better hope so.

[Conan71]

I don't want the election to be canceled. I want the republicans to fight it out till the convention then waste millions of dollars promoting another losing candidate.

Please convince me that one of these seven candidates can beat Obama.

It's his race to lose.  If gas is $4.00+ a gallon, unemployment is still in the 8 to 10% range, foreclosures are still up, etc. by Nov. 2012, he's toast. 

Those are the things that matter to the average voter.  Things like national debt and deficit aren't near as important to the biggest sea of voters rather than whether or not they have meaningful employment and how well they can support their family. 

I believe people will start to recognize the stark contrast in President Obama's lavish lifestyle and their own and wonder where that promise of hope and change went for them.

[Ed W]

I am not even convinced this is the entire field yet. But given the title of this thread, I don't think anyone can convince you of anything when it comes to Republicans. So why bother.

Texas governor Rick Perry is being coy about running.  He has the usual big negatives - from my point of view - since he's tight with the wingnut/tea biscuits on the right. But if the news is credible, he's also delivered jobs in Texas, and that could gain him some traction on the national stage.

But I really don't want another Texas governor promoted to the White House.  The last one was quite enough.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Issues and positions... Wow!

Palin and Bachmann have shown us their position is being profoundly stupid.  Can't even bother to read and understand the document they tout so often.  Or have even just a smidgeon of knowledge of history.

Newt?  Yeah, well, everyone knows about Newt and his contract on America.  Not to mention the heinous hypocrisy in the way he conducted himself through the nineties with the whore he married!  Yeah, he's the golden boy...

Santorum?  Well, Google it.  It is self-explanatory what HIS position is.  Mentally AND physically!

The rest of them at least have some semblance of a moral compass and at least a modicum of intellect.  At least, from what has been shown so far.  We will just have to wait and see, won't we?

And Mitt actually comes off as a reasonable guy, sometimes, when he is not contradicting himself too badly.  Like with mandatory public health.  Or writing emphatically against the GM bailout, and now claiming it was his idea.  I can live with both those, since they are so comparatively innocuous.

[Gaspar]

Issues and positions... Wow!

Palin and Bachmann have shown us their position is being profoundly stupid.  Can't even bother to read and understand the document they tout so often.  Or have even just a smidgeon of knowledge of history.

Newt?  Yeah, well, everyone knows about Newt and his contract on America.  Not to mention the heinous hypocrisy in the way he conducted himself through the nineties with the whore he married!  Yeah, he's the golden boy...

Santorum?  Well, Google it.  It is self-explanatory what HIS position is.  Mentally AND physically!

The rest of them at least have some semblance of a moral compass and at least a modicum of intellect.  At least, from what has been shown so far.  We will just have to wait and see, won't we?

And Mitt actually comes off as a reasonable guy, sometimes, when he is not contradicting himself too badly.  Like with mandatory public health.  Or writing emphatically against the GM bailout, and now claiming it was his idea.  I can live with both those, since they are so comparatively innocuous.

What do you think about Cain?

[Townsend]

What do you think about Cain?

Herman Cain promised not to appoint any Muslims who want to kill Americans to his cabinet

So there's that.

http://tinyurl.com/3as8co9

NEW YORK – Romney said he'd blow up the world economy over the debt ceiling. Bachmann doesn't believe in evolution or global warming. And those were the debate's stars. Michelle Goldberg on the lunacy of the Republican field.Plus: More Daily Beast contributors on the GOP debate

Here are things that Republicans suggested eliminating or privatizing in last night's debate: FEMA, NASA, the EPA, the Federal Labor Relations Board, Medicaid and food stamps. Herman Cain promised not to appoint any Muslims who want to kill Americans to his cabinet. Michele Bachmann supports states rights on gay marriage, but also supports a constitutional amendment outlawing it. Newt Gingrich faults big government for the lamentable absence of manned stations on the moon. Rick Santorum wants to "a system of discipline" to "punish" gay soldiers, which suggests that his problem with pornographic Google results is not likely to abate. Tim Pawlenty views Iraq as "one of the shiniest examples of success in the Middle East."

In this crowd, Mitt Romney seemed almost statesmanlike, even though he says he's willing to blow up the world economy by refusing to raise the debt ceiling. At least he admitted that Sharia law will not soon be coming to America, about as brave a concession to reality as we're likely to see from this field.

At least Romney admitted that Sharia law will not soon be coming to America, about as brave a concession to reality as we're likely to see from this field.

He and Bachmann were the winners last night. Romney came off as relatively serious and reasonable, and benefited from the fact that Tim Pawlenty wimped out when invited to take on his health care record. Bachmann, who announced her candidacy during the debate, probably gained more from the proceedings than anyone. She was charming, charismatic and far better spoken than Sarah Palin, to whom she's often compared, has ever been. Of course, she doesn't believe in evolution or global warming, thinks homosexuality can be cured and warns of a plot to merge the United States with Canada and Mexico, but in today's Republican Party, none of that is particularly controversial. It's going to be a long seventeen months.

[Hoss]

So there's that.

http://tinyurl.com/3as8co9

Let the bat-smile crazy express begin!