Do Over.

[TulsaMoon]

Does POTUS need approval from Congress to continue?

[Conan71]

Continue what?  Spending like a drunken sailor, bombing Libya, embarrassing us with his foreign policy?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Continue being better than the previous?  (Still not as good as McCain, though).
No, no permission needed to continue to improve.

[guido911]

Continue what?  Spending like a drunken sailor, bombing Libya, embarrassing us with his foreign policy?

Is this the sort of baiting you were decrying over in the other thread?  Heiron took the bait. I think this may be an attempt to get at the real issue in that thread. I have posted some analysis on the WPA before I saw this thread. I can repost it here if anyone wants to take it up.

[Conan71]

Is this the sort of baiting you were decrying over in the other thread?  Heiron took the bait. I think this may be an attempt to get at the real issue in that thread. I have posted some analysis on the WPA before I saw this thread. I can repost it here if anyone wants to take it up.

By all means do.  The OP was kind of nebulous so  I thought I'd run with it.

[Gaspar]

I liked his speech last night.  It was like he was introducing himself for the first time.

"Hi, I'm Barack Obama.  You may remember, I was elected back in 2008, and now I'm ready to get to work fixing the economy!"

[nathanm]

I liked his speech last night.  It was like he was introducing himself for the first time.

"Hi, I'm Barack Obama.  You may remember, I was elected back in 2008, and now I'm ready to get to work fixing the economy!"

Those boulders? That's the Republican obstructionism.

[Gaspar]

Those boulders? That's the Republican obstructionism.

Post of the day!

[heironymouspasparagus]

Must have missed the other thread...which one is that?

This one - well, anyone with even the shreds of a thought process remaining knows by now that jobs ain't coming back.  Until something (government intervention??  Corporate conscience??) gets the process started to bring them back from "you-know-where".  In spite of that, we have hired over 30,000 in last two years and have signs posted for more.

Corporate America has a few Trillion - that's with a T - in retained earnings (profit) -  cash!  Just sitting around.  Not hiring people.
Not growing into an expanding economy.  Not investing in the future of the country.  Not building the country.

[guido911]

Must have missed the other thread...which one is that?

This one - well, anyone with even the shreds of a thought process remaining knows by now that jobs ain't coming back.  Until something (government intervention??  Corporate conscience??) gets the process started to bring them back from "you-know-where".  In spite of that, we have hired over 30,000 in last two years and have signs posted for more.

Corporate America has a few Trillion - that's with a T - in retained earnings (profit) -  cash!  Just sitting around.  Not hiring people.
Not growing into an expanding economy.  Not investing in the future of the country.  Not building the country.

I don't understand. Since when are companies required to hire people just because they are profiting? If a company can do business and make money, shouldn't they decide whether to hire more people or not? Here's an idea, why don't you start a company, hire people, and build the country. I bet you'll feel a whole lot better.

[Gaspar]

Corporate America has a few Trillion - that's with a T - in retained earnings (profit) -  cash!  Just sitting around.  Not hiring people.
Not growing into an expanding economy.  Not investing in the future of the country.  Not building the country.

I have a company (actually 2).  I work for another company.  My family owns several companies.

I don't think the government or anyone else for that matter has the right to tell me, my boss, or my family what to do with our money.

If we believe that it is wiser to save as much as possible rather than engage in liability, that is our choice.

The only thing holding "Corporate America" back is confidence.  It seems there is a very clear vote of NO CONFIDENCE. 

Corporate America is looking forward to the unemployment of one man.

From the very beginning he set the tone to make the Private Sector the enemy.  Once you do that, you cannot go back.  You are sugar in the gas tank.

[we vs us]

I have a company (actually 2).  I work for another company.  My family owns several companies.

I don't think the government or anyone else for that matter has the right to tell me, my boss, or my family what to do with our money.

If we believe that it is wiser to save as much as possible rather than engage in liability, that is our choice.

The only thing holding "Corporate America" back is confidence.  It seems there is a very clear vote of NO CONFIDENCE. 

Corporate America is looking forward to the unemployment of one man.

From the very beginning he set the tone to make the Private Sector the enemy.  Once you do that, you cannot go back.  You are sugar in the gas tank.

Oh that's just ridiculous.  Apart from some very minor -- and waaaaaay overstated -- miscues, Obama's really bent over backwards for business.  But if you're going to blame Obama for "lack of confidence" in the marketplace, how bout you save an equal or greater amount for the GOP, who's obstructed at every turn efforts to turn the thing around.  They've exacerbated the lack of confidence by making silly demands, flirting with a default, filibustering tax relief, turning commonsense regulation of the financial markets into a circus (followed the Elizabeth Warren appointment debacle lately?). 

Also: it's rather obvious that the positive feedback loop as we know it between business, available capital, and hiring is either temporarily or permanently broken.  There's plenty of money out there to hire, but it's cheap and our labor is either not valued or not needed.  Or rather, the amount of jobs to do the same amount of work is less than what it was. 

[guido911]

Oh that's just ridiculous.  Apart from some very minor -- and waaaaaay overstated -- miscues, Obama's really bent over backwards for business.  But if you're going to blame Obama for "lack of confidence" in the marketplace, how bout you save an equal or greater amount for the GOP, who's obstructed at every turn efforts to turn the thing around.  They've exacerbated the lack of confidence by making silly demands, flirting with a default, filibustering tax relief, turning commonsense regulation of the financial markets into a circus (followed the Elizabeth Warren appointment debacle lately?). 

Also: it's rather obvious that the positive feedback loop as we know it between business, available capital, and hiring is either temporarily or permanently broken.  There's plenty of money out there to hire, but it's cheap and our labor is either not valued or not needed.  Or rather, the amount of jobs to do the same amount of work is less than what it was. 

For two years, Obama had commanding numbers in the house and a filibuster-proof senate and the GOP is the reason why businesses are not hiring? Love this clip making my point.

Businesses are not beholden to hire people or do anything more than make money for itself and shareholders. Period. The notion that they are somehow mandated to spend their money as you or anyone else for that matter sees fit is baseless. And for Obama, his little quip says it all.

[Conan71]

Oh that's just ridiculous.  Apart from some very minor -- and waaaaaay overstated -- miscues, Obama's really bent over backwards for business.  But if you're going to blame Obama for "lack of confidence" in the marketplace, how bout you save an equal or greater amount for the GOP, who's obstructed at every turn efforts to turn the thing around.  They've exacerbated the lack of confidence by making silly demands, flirting with a default, filibustering tax relief, turning commonsense regulation of the financial markets into a circus (followed the Elizabeth Warren appointment debacle lately?). 

Also: it's rather obvious that the positive feedback loop as we know it between business, available capital, and hiring is either temporarily or permanently broken.  There's plenty of money out there to hire, but it's cheap and our labor is either not valued or not needed.  Or rather, the amount of jobs to do the same amount of work is less than what it was. 

I'm laying down the gauntlet on your claim.

Please list specific examples of what President Obama has done to help business.  If you think Obamacare, granting ownership of two major car companies to unions, greasing union payrolls via shovel-ready construction projects, or financial bail outs to banks who are re-investing the money into derivatives and other investments rather than lending has done squat for small business you don't understand what this conversation is all about.

The GOP is reacting based on what small business America and their advocates are claiming will inspire confidence and help them to invest in the American economy.  It's really that simple, except you view it as it's entirely a game of spite.  I'm sure there is some political gamesmanship, but to not realize that the GOP Congress is trying to do the bidding of small business America is turning a deaf ear to what small business says they want and need to get money back into play.

You and people like you keep thinking it's obstructionism for the sake of obstructionism.  It's clashing philosophies and priorities.  The GOP is trying to fight for what they believe will help turn the tide, Democrats are doing the same thing.  The problem is, there's no compromise happening and it's not just the GOP which needs to learn to compromise.

[Gaspar]

Oh that's just ridiculous.  Apart from some very minor -- and waaaaaay overstated -- miscues, Obama's really bent over backwards for business.  But if you're going to blame Obama for "lack of confidence" in the marketplace, how bout you save an equal or greater amount for the GOP, who's obstructed at every turn efforts to turn the thing around.  They've exacerbated the lack of confidence by making silly demands, flirting with a default, filibustering tax relief, turning commonsense regulation of the financial markets into a circus (followed the Elizabeth Warren appointment debacle lately?). 

Also: it's rather obvious that the positive feedback loop as we know it between business, available capital, and hiring is either temporarily or permanently broken.  There's plenty of money out there to hire, but it's cheap and our labor is either not valued or not needed.  Or rather, the amount of jobs to do the same amount of work is less than what it was. 

I can't speak for big businesses, or for anyone else but myself and those I am around.  I'm sure there are others that feel the opposite, but I haven't seen that story play out.  Have you seen anything that indicates confidence in President Obama's economic policies?

If there is such an anomaly the administration should seize on it and commit to spreading the good news.

I mean, it can't be all ATMs and Kiosks?   Can it?