Debt Debate in Congress

[Teatownclown]

Column: GOP's disrespect of Obama goes beyond debt fight

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2011-08-02-gop-disrespect-obama-debt_n.htm


"This total lack of respect is downright contemptible — if not unpatriotic. Such contempt, I'm convinced, is rooted in something other than political differences. Today, you might not see the overt actions of racist southern governors like Ross Barnett or George Wallace in the 1960s. But the presence of Jim Crow, Jr. — a more subtle form of racism — is there."

So much truth there.

[Conan71]

Drop the racism meme already.

They hate him for three reasons:

A) He's a Democrat.  They are on a mission to return a Republican to the White House.

B) He's an inept and incompetent leader, and according to accounts of POTUS storming out of meetings, seems to have temper-tantrum or maturity issues.

C) A piss-poor example of respect for the office of POTUS set by their Democrat peers in the Senate and House from 2001 to Jan. 2009.

Need I go on?  Race has nothing more to do with their dislike of the man than it does for Democrats who now loathe President Obama.

[Teatownclown]

Drop the racism meme already.

They hate him for three reasons:

A) He's a Democrat.  They are on a mission to return a Republican to the White House.

B) He's an inept and incompetent leader, and according to accounts of POTUS storming out of meetings, seems to have temper-tantrum or maturity issues.

C) A piss-poor example of respect for the office of POTUS set by their Democrat peers in the Senate and House from 2001 to Jan. 2009.

Need I go on?  Race has nothing more to do with their dislike of the man than it does for Democrats who now loathe President Obama.

What a foolish post....

[Teatownclown]

http://www.counterpunch.org/street07292011.html

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Consider the following quote from Progressive Magazine editor Matthew Rothschild last October: "With economic pain at the highest level ever seen by most Americans, and with minorities especially hard hit, we're seeing a revolt not by people of color, not the unemployed, nor the foreclosed upon.  Instead, we're seeing a revolt by the white middle class.  It's a revolt against the very notion of a positive role for government in helping people.  It's a revolt against Latin American immigrants.  It's a revolt against Muslim Americans.  And it's a revolt against our black president." 

[Conan71]

What a foolish post....

Really? Counter why that is.  You really think President Obama has shown any sort of leadership since taking office?  He's got a tendency to abdicate that role on intensely controversial issues, instead allowing his minions in Congress to take it on the chin.  He's far too worried about a second term and legacies to make unpopular decisions.

The race card is old and tired, remove it from the deck.

[Teatownclown]

Conan, your hatred for Obama can be seen in your post. Leave it be. You are what you are....

[Conan71]

Conan, your hatred for Obama can be seen in your post. Leave it be. You are what you are....

You have no cogent argument so you apologize for poor leadership by calling others racist.  The true racists these days are those who keep screaming "racism".  You and Walter Busby should hang out together.

Stay classy my friend.

[Teatownclown]

I did not call you a racist. Why the self defense?

Stay classy? I wasn't the one who went on a personal attack of the President. Do you read your own posts? They are poorly written dogma.

What does Busby have to do with this thread? Why do you feel that issue has anything to do with the debt deliberations? Besides, TPD has much larger issues which you seem to think are not relevant to higher taxes....

[AquaMan]

Without intimate knowledge of failures in leadership by Obama that meme gets tired as well. Stories of temper flare ups, walking out of meetings etc is a sign of a feisty, testy, salty character driven personalities when its McCain or Christy. But when its Obama its a failure to lead? What people consider leadership is totally subjective. Just like claims of racism or anti-Christian behavior. Subjective.

When you look back on this administration I believe you will find criticisms of lack of leadership consist of just one more phrase opportunity used as part of the partisan arsenal. You've actually been harping on it before he even became president. I believe it was the "empty suit" bumper sticker slogan you used throughout the campaign.

That empty suit has managed to piss off a lot of folks on both sides while overseeing financial bailouts, enabling health care changes, dealing with intransigent repubs/tea partiers during a budget crises, wars and the retraction from wars, terrorist successes and such.

Like Guido says, if everyone is pissed then it was probably a good deal. Same thing goes with leadership.

[Conan71]

I did not call you a racist. Why the self defense?

Stay classy? I wasn't the one who went on a personal attack of the President. Do you read your own posts? They are poorly written dogma.

What does Busby have to do with this thread? Why do you feel that issue has anything to do with the debt deliberations? Besides, TPD has much larger issues which you seem to think are not relevant to higher taxes....

Do you read your own?  Let me help you:

It's a revolt against Latin American immigrants.  It's a revolt against Muslim Americans.  And it's a revolt against our black president."  

Seriously, foment racism much?  Every post you've made this morning has come from the angle that this is all against our black president.

As far as me speaking out against an inept leader, it's not a personal attack.  Attacking his race, physical issues, or family would be personal.  On a personal level, I like President Obama.  I find him charming, somewhat witty and someone I could sit across the table from at dinner and have a few good laughs.  I'm attacking his poor job performance as our President.  I'm attacking his attempts to blame everyone else for his failures and lack of leadership skill.  

"He can't get anything done because Bush screwed everything up so bad.  He can't get anything done because the TeaBa**ers won't let him.  Members of his own party don't support him."

Presidents Clinton and Reagan didn't have problems moving a reasonable agenda forward with an opposition Congress because they were great leaders.  What's his excuse again?  

I had high hopes he could be a unifier.  I had high hopes he could help turn around the economy by inspiring confidence in the economy and the American workforce.  Instead, he's helped create prolonged instability by raising the costs of doing business in the United States and backing a slate of legislation which business leaders say is not business-friendly.  

I'm incredibly disappointed in what a poor leader this man has turned out to be. That's my problem, it's nothing personal.

[Teatownclown]

I'm disappointed in his approach to running this country as well. There's contempt in your remarks.

That quote was not my own, btw. But I agree with it because it's real.

[Gaspar]

Just because someone is a bad leader does not make them a bad person.  I strongly disagree with his political philosophy, and his economic philosophy. 

All of that aside, he could have taken a leadership role and put us on the road to solve this debt problem last year when his own debt reduction committee reported EXACTLY what was going to happen and gave him a road-map to mitigate it.

Instead, he chose to ignore every warning, and brush away every solution offered.  He had to be brought to the table kicking and screaming, and even then refused to take any real leadership responsibility. 

So now, I disagree with his politics, his economics, and his ethics. 

That does not make me raciest. That does not make the President a bad person.  That simply means that MY opinion of his abilities as President of the United States are very poor.

I wish him no ill, on the contrary, he has one more year in office and I am hopeful that he might have the strength and dignity to alter his philosophy in the light of its failures and not just invite, but act on the advice of those who can help shape policies that might bring us out of this mess, rather than plunge us deeper by constructing his own reality based on external blame.

[Teatownclown]

I keep asking, why is everyone defending themselves? The article I posted from USA Today was not aimed at anyone in particular here. It was just trying to point out that Obama faces many obstacles and that one is paramount. So many here take things personally and assume way too much.

America is not doing her best right now.

[RecycleMichael]

Why bring in the race card? Because someone else did and you found it on the internets?

You are ruining our forum.

[Conan71]

You see dissent with the article as being defensive?

I, and others don't agree with the author's opinion and offered our own perspective on how he's doing his job. 

That's another problem President Obama has, too many apologists and enablers.