No BS Question

[guido911]

CWE for about 6 years until 2000 when I moved back to Tulsa.

Wow, then sorry about calling your area snobbish (unless you agree).

[Conan71]

My only criticism, if that's what this is, of this "district" concept is that it leaves the impression that these places are so far apart from one another that you need a landmark to locate them. Four blocks apart and we need landmarks to distinguish Brady from Blue Dome from now Greenwood? It's almost like, "don't get the arts district confused with downtown".

To be clear Gaspar, I lived in St. Louis proper for a short time. I lived across the river about 10 miles away, near the Belleville, IL district. 

There is an odd thread to my life which keeps running through Belleville.  One of my best friends lives there and I found out one of my old classmates moved back here after living in Belleville for six years.  I've known several others who have come from the B'Ville area.

[Hoss]

There is an odd thread to my life which keeps running through Belleville.  One of my best friends lives there and I found out one of my old classmates moved back here after living in Belleville for six years.  I've known several others who have come from the B'Ville area.

I actually have a pretty good friend that lives there; anytime I'm in the St Louis area I try and meet up with him.  Haven't been in ages thought, and the last time I did go up to St. Louis, he was out of town...I also have friends from Alton, but really no friends in St Louis.

[Gaspar]

Wow, then sorry about calling your area snobbish (unless you agree).

Oh hell yeah it is!  It's the elite hotbed of St. Louis.  Made for some great bar discussions!! 

I used to play on a darts league with a couple of priests, and a couple of drunks (interchangeable).  We hung out at a little bar called the 34 Club.  Some strange regulars there.  Circuit Court Judge Evelyn Baker, Leon Spinks (and his brother Michael), an astronaut, a cop who would give you his gun when he got drunk, and two old mob bosses turned union bosses.

[guido911]

Okay. Now what is this Pearl District, and what is it in relation to midtown? And at what point does all of this become pretentious bullsh!t...

[Townsend]

And at what point does all of this become pretentious bullsh!t...

Why would you consider development becoming pretentious?

If a city's progress can only be done bit by bit, you do what you can.  You do what you can with those who will support it.

[guido911]

Why would you consider development becoming pretentious?

If a city's progress can only be done bit by bit, you do what you can.  You do what you can with those who will support it.

It's not development, its "district" business to me. I have lived in mucho bigger cities with much longer histories of existence and find what Tulsa does approaches "wannabeism" of those cities that do have cultural, racial, ethnic communities. Seriously, is going to Blue Dome that big of deal apart from Brady, or the East Village, or SoBo? Its within freakin walking distance, right?

[Townsend]

Its within freakin walking distance, right?

"Everything's within walking distance if you've got the time."

[Townsend]

It's not development, its "district" business to me. I have lived in mucho bigger cities with much longer histories of existence and find what Tulsa does approaches "wannabeism" of those cities that do have cultural, racial, ethnic communities. Seriously, is going to Blue Dome that big of deal apart from Brady, or the East Village, or SoBo? Its within freakin walking distance, right?

Tulsa had to be cut into smaller sections because if you try to change larger than a few blocks then the builders and city/county governments will block any attempt.

Look at the Pearl.  An attempt was made to change just a tiny area to test the effects of a style of zoning.  Some powerful forces/loud voices screamed "too big" so they had to shrink the area and try again.

The districts have to be small to get anything done.

I live in a neighborhood within a neighborhood within a district within a district within a city within a county within a state, etc.  I don't consider it "wannabeism".  Gotta start small to get anything done.

[guido911]

Tulsa had to be cut into smaller sections because if you try to change larger than a few blocks then the builders and city/county governments will block any attempt.

Look at the Pearl.  An attempt was made to change just a tiny area to test the effects of a style of zoning.  Some powerful forces/loud voices screamed "too big" so they had to shrink the area and try again.

The districts have to be small to get anything done.

I live in a neighborhood within a neighborhood within a district within a district within a city within a county within a state, etc.  I don't consider it "wannabeism".  Gotta start small to get anything done.

I think we are talking right passed each other on this. I understand growth/development. To me, it's this: "Ooooh, I'm going to Brady District" [pinky raised holding martini glass] "so I can't make it across the street to Blue Dome". Again, where I hail, going to Soulard or the "Hill" or the "Central West End" or even "The Landing" actually means something. Not only is there economic development in those areas (along with political forces at work), which is apparently the reason for these "districts" in your view, but also ethnic , cultural, and social significance as well.

Maybe its just the mentality that some have, like being a midtowner versus a southie. I have heard from those in midtown say, "I would never live in South Tulsa because I am a midtown sort of a person". Really? Tell me how different the people are on the other side of 41st street. That's the pretentiousness or "I'm special" I am getting at.

[Townsend]

Maybe its just the mentality that some have, like being a midtowner versus a southie. I have heard from those in midtown say, "I would never live in South Tulsa because I am a midtown sort of a person". Really? Tell me how different the people are on the other side of 41st street. That's the pretentiousness or "I'm special" I am getting at.

Oh that.  Yeah, not really wanting to smell like a mid-towner.

[Teatownclown]

I think we are talking right passed each other on this. I understand growth/development. To me, it's this: "Ooooh, I'm going to Brady District" [pinky raised holding martini glass] "so I can't make it across the street to Blue Dome". Again, where I hail, going to Soulard or the "Hill" or the "Central West End" or even "The Landing" actually means something. Not only is there economic development in those areas (along with political forces at work), which is apparently the reason for these "districts" in your view, but also ethnic , cultural, and social significance as well.

Maybe its just the mentality that some have, like being a midtowner versus a southie. I have heard from those in midtown say, "I would never live in South Tulsa because I am a midtown sort of a person". Really? Tell me how different the people are on the other side of 41st street. That's the pretentiousness or "I'm special" I am getting at.

I cover a lot of ground. I have no favorite, but I do abhor government subsidization of private enterprise because it's never fair and almost always reckless. If I drank and drove then I'd be downtown more often....

[guido911]

Oh that.  Yeah, not really wanting to smell like a mid-towner.

Well, that's the obvious answer.

[guido911]

I cover a lot of ground. I have no favorite, but I do abhor government subsidization of private enterprise because it's never fair and almost always reckless. If I drank and drove then I'd be downtown more often....

[Teatownclown]

And all this time I thought it was socialism you hated...not surprised you hate our leader.