POTUS PERRY!

[Conan71]

I would hope that Cane is able to make an impact.  I think Romney will end up being the candidate, but I also think there are some strange surprises lurking.  Bachman has taken Palen's place in drawing fire from the left and  she is performing that job with superb skill.

I think a Romney/Cain ticket may be a nice blend.  Romney is smart, and skilled at running billion dollar businesses and budgets.  Cain is not a 'sideline' guy so I think he will take a very active role in the business of government.  Romney will draw the independent support and Cain will satisfy the Tea Party.  Both have pledged to work toward a simplified tax code to different degrees and both are viewed by industry with a great deal of confidence.  I think that even the mere prospect of such a ticket will have a profound effect on the economy, but to be successful we will have to overcome those who vote for a living.

And of course there's the requisite character assassinations from the left as Swake so deftly proved.  

Next, Cain will be referred to as an Uncle Tom.  Liberals can't stand it when minorities or women rise to power on the right.  It must really suck to be closeted bigots and misogynists.  At least Rethugs are open and honest about it

There's plenty of "crazy" photos of Hilarity Clinton, as well as well-documented fits of rage.  However, was she ever drawn and quartered by Newsweek and referred to as "The Queen Of Rage"?  

[Hoss]

And of course there's the requisite character assassinations from the left as Swake so deftly proved.  

Next, Cain will be referred to as an Uncle Tom.  Liberals can't stand it when minorities or women rise to power on the right.  It must really suck to be closeted bigots and misogynists.  At least Rethugs are open and honest about it

There's plenty of "crazy" photos of Hilarity Clinton, as well as well-documented fits of rage.  However, was she ever drawn and quartered by Newsweek and referred to as "The Queen Of Rage"?  

wow, generalize much?  Oh, I see what you did there!

[AquaMan]

And let us not forget Cain's rage against Sharia law. Christie was blunt that such talk is just crazy. Talk about a great sound bite for the election.

Liberals don't like strong women? Very strange comment that is not based upon any facts I'm aware of. Perhaps you could enlighten me since the liberal wing brought in the very first female VP candidate, the first female Presidential candidate and the first female cabinet members, and the first female Congresswoman, ....that liberal wing?

[swake]

And of course there's the requisite character assassinations from the left as Swake so deftly proved.

Oh please.

Listing direct quotes from him on policy positions is a "Character Assassination"?

You think Cain's statements are ugly, nutty and/or stupid too, but will you admit it?

[Townsend]

.  Liberals can't stand it when minorities or women rise to power on the right.  It must really suck to be closeted bigots and misogynists.  At least Rethugs are open and honest about it

The winky smiley face means you're kidding right?

[Conan71]

And let us not forget Cain's rage against Sharia law. Christie was blunt that such talk is just crazy. Talk about a great sound bite for the election.

Liberals don't like strong women? Very strange comment that is not based upon any facts I'm aware of. Perhaps you could enlighten me since the liberal wing brought in the very first female VP candidate, the first female Presidential candidate and the first female cabinet members, and the first female Congresswoman, ....that liberal wing?

You glossed over the part of women and minorities "rise to power on the right".  For some reason liberals seem to think blacks, hispanics, and women are their sole property.

Have you seen a female or black GOP candidate for major office who was not summarily dismissed as a nut case, or completely unfit for office? 

[Townsend]

Have you seen a female or black GOP Democrat/liberal candidate for major office who was not summarily dismissed as a nut case, or completely unfit for office? 

That door swings both ways amigo.

[AquaMan]

Not because of their race or sex I haven't. Usually they are allowed to prove it.

[Conan71]

Oh please.

Listing direct quotes from him on policy positions is a "Character Assassination"?

You think Cain's statements are ugly, nutty and/or stupid too, but will you admit it?

Seriously? You call him a bit dim and/or nuts and more than a little bigoted and take the time to troll for four stories which you think will make that point.

Those are character issues you raised, ergo character assassination. 

What's wrong or nutty about getting rid of 2700 page bills?  Would he keep to his word on only signing no more than three page bills?  Of course not.  Just like the days of former lobbyists working in the White House were over with the election of President Obama.

President Obama is just as much an oaf on the Israel issue.

As far as the Muslim issue, that's the only one which has any traction.  He can kiss the Muslim vote good bye.

Sorry Swake, you are going to have to try harder.

Except for the fact that Cain is either a bit dim and/or nuts, and more than a little bigoted:

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WALLACE: You're saying any community, if they want to ban a mosque?
CAIN: Yes. They have a right to do that. That's not discriminating based upon religion.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/herman-cain-strives-for-new-levels-of-anti-muslim-buffoonery/2011/03/04/gIQAJ7WpLI_blog.html

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"I don't think [Israelis] have a big problem with people (Palestinians) returning. The issue is there are some things that they simply do not want to give in on," he said
Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/55484.html#ixzz1UXxOJNUs

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HERMAN CAIN, CEO, THE NEW VOICE: Hey, Neil, a reporter asked me would I appoint a Muslim to my administration? I did say no. And here's why.  But the reporter didn't tell you this.
I would have to have people totally committed to the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of this United States. And many of the Muslims, they are not totally dedicated to this country. They are not dedicated to our Constitution. Many of them are trying to force Sharia law on the people of this country.
http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/your-world-cavuto/transcript/herman-cain-defends-controversial-muslim-comments

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CAIN: Engage the people. Don't try to pass a 2,700 page bill — and even they didn't read it! You and I didn't have time to read it. We're too busy trying to live — send our kids to school. That's why I am only going to allow small bills — three pages. You'll have time to read that one over the dinner table. What does Herman Cain, President Cain talking about in this particular bill?
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/06/07/238779/herman-cain-long-bills/


And these aren't misstatements or gaffes, these are (or were) his positions

[swake]

Seriously? You call him a bit dim and/or nuts and more than a little bigoted and take the time to troll for four stories which you think will make that point.

Those are character issues you raised, ergo character assassination.  

What's wrong or nutty about getting rid of 2700 page bills?  Would he keep to his word on only signing no more than three page bills?  Of course not.  Just like the days of former lobbyists working in the White House were over with the election of President Obama.

President Obama is just as much an oaf on the Israel issue.

As far as the Muslim issue, that's the only one which has any traction.  He can kiss the Muslim vote good bye.

Sorry Swake, you are going to have to try harder.

Anyone with half a brain knows that government is complicated and hard, and that three pages is a silly and dangerous standard for laws and bills. It would leave an incredible amount of power to unelected and unanswerable bureaucrats. He is supposed to be a businessman. So tell me, how many billion dollar plus contracts are three pages? My guess is zero. If he doesn't know that then he was just a figurehead leader of his company and not really running it. So how long should bills that involve trillions of dollars be? In his world, three pages. This is a idiotic statement, he's either pandering and disingenuous, or just showing his stupidity with this position.


Anyone with half a brain knows that Israel is dead set against the right of return and would definitely give up all West Bank settlements before allowing it and would even probably give up East Jerusalem before they allow it. It would destroy Israel as we know it. To his benefit I think he had no idea what he was talking about. He comes off more ignorant than stupid here. But then, someone running for president had better have a working understanding of the issues in the Middle East and he plainly does not. The right of return is a major, maybe even the major sticking point in our biggest intractable problem that's the driving force behind the anger creating so many of our biggest problems from the price of oil to the War on Terror. And Mr Cain has no idea what The Right of Return even is.

The statements on Muslims and Mosques are  bigoted and wrong and he apologized for them. That however does not change the fact that he made the statements, repeatedly and for a time defended them.

[we vs us]

Next, Cain will be referred to as an Uncle Tom.  Liberals can't stand it when minorities or women rise to power on the right.  It must really suck to be closeted bigots and misogynists.  At least Rethugs are open and honest about it

w-t-f?

[Gaspar]

w-t-f?

I believe the new politically correct term is "Race Traitor." 

Sharpton will be the first out of the chute to use it.  Al Sharpton uses this term for any black man who does not happen to be Al Sharpton. 

Then of course Ralph Nader will call him an "Uncle Tom" because he calls all black people who don't work for his campaign "Uncle tom."

. . .And of course Louis Farrakhan will rise up, and call Herman Cain an Uncle Tom, because Herman Cain has no use for Louis Farrakhan.

Fringe attacks mean very little, except to the less educated black voter.  It's sad, because these would be the very people who would benefit the most from his stance on economic issues.  Cain has a very Friedmanesque economic philosophy, and as a successful business man who literally came from nothing he has quite an investment in the concept opportunity for all people.

[Conan71]

Anyone with half a brain knows that government is complicated and hard, and that three pages is a silly and dangerous standard for laws and bills. It would leave an incredible amount of power to unelected and unanswerable bureaucrats. He is supposed to be a businessman. So tell me, how many billion dollar plus contracts are three pages? My guess is zero. If he doesn't know that then he was just a figurehead leader of his company and not really running it. So how long should bills that involve trillions of dollars be? In his world, three pages. This is a idiotic statement, he's either pandering and disingenuous, or just showing his stupidity with this position.


Anyone with half a brain knows that Israel is dead set against the right of return and would definitely give up all West Bank settlements before allowing it and would even probably give up East Jerusalem before they allow it. It would destroy Israel as we know it. To his benefit I think he had no idea what he was talking about. He comes off more ignorant than stupid here. But then, someone running for president had better have a working understanding of the issues in the Middle East and he plainly does not. The right of return is a major, maybe even the major sticking point in our biggest intractable problem that's the driving force behind the anger creating so many of our biggest problems from the price of oil to the War on Terror. And Mr Cain has no idea what The Right of Return even is.

The statements on Muslims and Mosques are  bigoted and wrong and he apologized for them. That however does not change the fact that he made the statements, repeatedly and for a time defended them.

You are really hung up on the three page bill issue.  Do we really need 2700 pages to accomplish a stated goal with a bill?  Talk about creating jobs and power for unaccountable bureaucrats!  How about all the unrelated extra spending which gets tossed into 2000 page bills that now looks like a huge bucket of $15 trillion in debt?

Of course he's being idealistic about such a standard.  He's no more idealistic than any other POTUS candidate has or will be Swake.  It's his version of "transparency", I suspect.

Our sitting president had no clue what he was talking about in terms of Israel in his "1967 borders" speech.  In fact, many Israeli's interpreted it as an open hostility to Israel.  His stated positions on Israel during the '08 election were full of nothing but simple generalities.  He had no more a feel for foreign relations at this point in that campaign than Mr. Cain does.  What exactly have President Obama's great foreign relations victories been so far?  

Here's his mealy-mouthed understanding of Israel and Palestine, circa '07/'08:

40) I will bring to the White House an unshakeable commitment to Israel's security
41) Finally, let there be no doubt: I will always keep the threat of military action on the table to defend our security and our ally Israel
42) Obama and Biden will make progress on the Israel-Palestinian conflict a key diplomatic priority. They will make a sustained push – working with Israelis and Palestinians-to achieve the goal of two states
43) I will implement a Memorandum of Understanding that provides $30 billion in assistance to Israel over the next decade-investments to Israel's security that will not be tied to any other nation
44) Barack Obama and Joe Biden strongly support the U.S.-Israel relationship, believe that our first and incontrovertible commitment in the Middle East must be the security of Israel
45) He and Joe Biden believe strongly in Israel's right to protect its citizens
46) Barack Obama and Joe Biden have consistently supported foreign assistance to Israel
47) We have to press for enforcement of U.N. Security Council Resolution 1701, which demands the cessation of arms shipments to Hezbollah, a resolution which Syria and Iran continue to disregard
48) That's why we must strengthen the hands of the Palestinian moderates who seek peace and that is why we must maintain the isolation of Hamas and other extremists who are committed to Israel's destruction
49) We can and we should help Israelis and Palestinians both fulfill their national goals: two states living side by side in peace and security
50) I will strongly urge Arab governments to take steps to normalize relations with Israel
51) We also know that we should never seek to dictate what is best for the Israelis and their security interests. No Israeli Prime Minister should ever feel dragged to or blocked from the negotiating table by the United States.
52) I also believe that the United States has a responsibility to support Israel's efforts to renew peace talks with the Syrians.
53) The danger from Iran is grave, it is real, and my goal will be to eliminate this threat.

Catalogued by a blogger, digest at your own risk.

http://ideapalooza.com/blog/?p=144

Apparently, the majority of liberals don't have half a brain:

Zogby poll published last month says that liberal Americans overwhelmingly support the idea of negotiating with Hamas and the right of return of Palestinian refugees. And 4/5 Obama voters say it's time to get tough with Israel. You'd think Obama would be feeling his oats. But he's afraid of losing funding, I'm afraid. (Thanks, Annie). Stats:

In our March 2010 poll, commissioned by the Arab American Institute, when asked whether they agreed with the proposition that "both Israelis and Palestinians are entitled to equal rights," 84 percent of Americans agreed. And by a margin of 67 percent to 17 percent, Americans continued to support the notion that "there should be an independent Palestinian state."

A plurality agreed that Palestinians should be guaranteed "the right of return". Similarly, a plurality agreed that Israeli settlements built on Palestinian land in the West Bank "should be torn down and the land returned" to the Palestinians. And on the sensitive issue of Jerusalem, Americans are evenly divided as to whether the city should be partitioned or remain under Israeli control. Further, when asked straight out, "Should the US government get tough with Israel?"--a slight plurality agreed.

http://mondoweiss.net/2011/07/hey-liberal-zionists-obama-voters-overwhelmingly-support-right-of-return.html

[Conan71]

I believe the new politically correct term is "Race Traitor." 

Sharpton will be the first out of the chute to use it.  Al Sharpton uses this term for any black man who does not happen to be Al Sharpton. 

Then of course Ralph Nader will call him an "Uncle Tom" because he calls all black people who don't work for his campaign "Uncle tom."

. . .And of course Louis Farrakhan will rise up, and call Herman Cain an Uncle Tom, because Herman Cain has no use for Louis Farrakhan.

Fringe attacks mean very little, except to the less educated black voter.  It's sad, because these would be the very people who would benefit the most from his stance on economic issues.  Cain has a very Friedmanesque economic philosophy, and as a successful business man who literally came from nothing he has quite an investment in the concept opportunity for all people.

Great exchange on $harpton'$ MSNBC show with Pat Buchanan last week.  Buchanan (not sure if it was a slip or he did it to piss $harpton off) said Obama was $harpton'$ 'boy'. 

Scroll to about the 1 minute mark.  The stunned look on Rev. Al'$ face is pricele$$

[dbacks fan]

And of course there's the requisite character assassinations from the left as Swake so deftly proved.  

Next, Cain will be referred to as an Uncle Tom.  Liberals can't stand it when minorities or women rise to power on the right.  It must really suck to be closeted bigots and misogynists.  At least Rethugs are open and honest about it

There's plenty of "crazy" photos of Hilarity Clinton, as well as well-documented fits of rage.  However, was she ever drawn and quartered by Newsweek and referred to as "The Queen Of Rage"?  

Talk about "Deer in the headlights" pose.