I voted today!!!

[Conan71]

Why are people such obsequious bootlickers that they feel the need to constantly carry ID so they can prove their identity to some functionary? We had a big philisophical problem with the Soviets'  "papers please" mentality, yet here we are implementing the same in our own country and calling it freedom.

At least we're not Nevada, where it is now a crime to not produce a government-issued ID when asked for it by a LEO.

So are you a boot licker or do you frequently leave the house without identification?

[nathanm]

So are you a boot licker or do you frequently leave the house without identification?

Only when I'm walking or biking. And I never beat my wife.

[patric]

I always think "Papers please" in a German accent.

[Gaspar]

So if I go to the pharmacy and tell them I am Teatown, I should be able to pick up Teatown's methadone?

I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.

What if I show up at a daycare and wish to pick up a child (not mine, but perhaps I need an extra one), should I have to show ID?

How about if I wish to cast my vote in an election, or cast a vote or two for some friends.  Should I have to present ID?

I mean, I'm a Libertarian and actually abhor the idea that so many functions of government require me to present identification, and give up certain liberties, but I am also a realist and understand that society requires me to carry positive identification for my own protection, and the protection of others.

I see extending that to the voting booth as a protection of my rights, rather than an infringement.

Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced.  This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do. 

[Townsend]

So if I go to the pharmacy and tell them I am Teatown, I should be able to pick up Teatown's methadone?

I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.

What if I show up at a daycare and wish to pick up a child (not mine, but perhaps I need an extra one), should I have to show ID?

How about if I wish to cast my vote in an election, or cast a vote or two for some friends.  Should I have to present ID?

I mean, I'm a Libertarian and actually abhor the idea that so many functions of government require me to present identification, and give up certain liberties, but I am also a realist and understand that society requires me to carry positive identification for my own protection, and the protection of others.

I see extending that to the voting booth as a protection of my rights, rather than an infringement.

Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced.  This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do. 

Who are you talking about?

[patric]

I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.

http://www.tulsanow.org/forum/index.php?topic=17970.msg208556#msg208556

[godboko71]

So if I go to the pharmacy and tell them I am Teatown, I should be able to pick up Teatown's methadone?

I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.

What if I show up at a daycare and wish to pick up a child (not mine, but perhaps I need an extra one), should I have to show ID?

How about if I wish to cast my vote in an election, or cast a vote or two for some friends.  Should I have to present ID?

I mean, I'm a Libertarian and actually abhor the idea that so many functions of government require me to present identification, and give up certain liberties, but I am also a realist and understand that society requires me to carry positive identification for my own protection, and the protection of others.

I see extending that to the voting booth as a protection of my rights, rather than an infringement.

Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced.  This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do. 

So you have never forgot to go get your drivers license renewed? You stop being Gasper the second it expires?

[Hoss]

So you have never forgot to go get your drivers license renewed? You stop being Gasper the second it expires?

Now THERE'S some wishful thinking!

j/k.

..wait, what?

[Townsend]

So you have never forgot to go get your drivers license renewed? You stop being Gasper the second it expires?

You mean like if Michael J Fox goes back in time and C-blocks Crispin Glover?

Would his hand start to fade first?

[Hoss]

You mean like if Michael J Fox goes back in time and C-blocks Crispin Glover?

Would his hand start to fade first?

I don't care who you are, that's some funny stuff right there....

[Red Arrow]

I always think "Papers please" in a German accent.

Ihre Papiere bitte.

(my German is pretty rusty)

[Red Arrow]

Who are you talking about?

"Them"

[custosnox]

So if I go to the pharmacy and tell them I am Teatown, I should be able to pick up Teatown's methadone?

I'm trying to figure out what people are defending here.

What if I show up at a daycare and wish to pick up a child (not mine, but perhaps I need an extra one), should I have to show ID?

How about if I wish to cast my vote in an election, or cast a vote or two for some friends.  Should I have to present ID?

I mean, I'm a Libertarian and actually abhor the idea that so many functions of government require me to present identification, and give up certain liberties, but I am also a realist and understand that society requires me to carry positive identification for my own protection, and the protection of others.

I see extending that to the voting booth as a protection of my rights, rather than an infringement.

Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced.  This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do. 

The biggest problem I have with this means you have to pay to vote, unless the government is willing to give out free IDs.  Not everyone drives, and therefore not everyone has a drivers license.  Or, in my case, I can't afford to get my license renewed right now (and avoid driving when I can).  While I don't have a problem with requiring people to have to prove who they are in certain situations (they better check ID when someone goes to withdraw money from my bank account... if I had any in there), but at the same time what I think most are worried about is things getting to the point where they can charge you with a crime for not having one.

[Conan71]

The biggest problem I have with this means you have to pay to vote, unless the government is willing to give out free IDs.  Not everyone drives, and therefore not everyone has a drivers license.  Or, in my case, I can't afford to get my license renewed right now (and avoid driving when I can).  While I don't have a problem with requiring people to have to prove who they are in certain situations (they better check ID when someone goes to withdraw money from my bank account... if I had any in there), but at the same time what I think most are worried about is things getting to the point where they can charge you with a crime for not having one.

The government does issue a free ID for voters: your voter registration card.

[nathanm]

Besides, <I'm going to say it again>, this tiny group of people who do not carry any form of identification may indeed be inconvenienced.  This inconvenience is for the protection of the vast majority of people who do. 

How very not-libertarian of you.

Conan, I thought you had to show photo ID now? The previous regime was that you had to show photo ID either when you first register or the first time you vote, but afterwards, a signature will do.