Jobs is out

[nathanm]

Looks like we're bringing pocket protectors to a gun fight today.

Don't worry, Carlson hooked me up already and I have a call in to Krieger. I may not look it, but I'm loaded for bear.

[sgrizzle]

Exactly.  That's why Google is where it is.

I'm beginning to think Scott is more of an Apple fanboy than I thought...

google is where it is because it takes the things you do on it's websites and devices, sends that to advertisers and sends you back ads based on your past activity.

97% of Google's income comes directly from advertisers and marketing people.

To Apple, the iPhone is a product and you are the customer.
To Google, you are the product and advertisers are the customer.

Keep that straight and you'll go places.

[sgrizzle]

Exactly.  That's why Google is where it is.

I'm beginning to think Scott is more of an Apple fanboy than I thought...

Nope, I'm probably more of a Unix person but OSX and iOS are the best "commercial" versions of Unix out there.

(I put "commercial" in quotes because I think when you can buy an OS for $29, it's basically freeware)

[Hoss]

google is where it is because it takes the things you do on it's websites and devices, sends that to advertisers and sends you back ads based on your past activity.

97% of Google's income comes directly from advertisers and marketing people.

To Apple, the iPhone is a product and you are the customer.
To Google, you are the product and advertisers are the customer.

Keep that straight and you'll go places.

They don't treat them like that though.  Locking phones to their specifications and only doing something nefarious to the phone unlocks it.

Apples treats their iPhone customers like they're two-year-olds.  At least Google gives you the keys.

[Gaspar]

They don't treat them like that though.  Locking phones to their specifications and only doing something nefarious to the phone unlocks it.

Apples treats their iPhone customers like they're two-year-olds.  At least Google gives you the keys.

Yeah, Google gives you the keys to a 1973 ford Maverick.  Sure it will run, and run fast, but it will frequently overheat, and always look like a Maverick.  With your hot-rod 302 engine,  you can beat the pants off most people from the light, but hit a bump and you're going to sh!t a trail of nuts and bolts all over the road.

Apple is elegant, luxurious, fast, and damn near impossible to wreck. 

[nathanm]

Apple is elegant, luxurious, fast, and damn near impossible to wreck. 

Unless you hold the steering wheel the wrong way.

[Hoss]

Yeah, Google gives you the keys to a 1973 ford Maverick.  Sure it will run, and run fast, but it will frequently overheat, and always look like a Maverick.  With your hot-rod 302 engine,  you can beat the pants off most people from the light, but hit a bump and you're going to sh!t a trail of nuts and bolts all over the road.

Apple is elegant, luxurious, fast, and damn near impossible to wreck. 

Subjective opinion.  I've had my '1973 Maverick' since March and it will do things that Crapple iPhone/iTunes can't (and won't, because of its design).  But I'm not here to shill.  You have your opinion, I have mine.  What good is an 'unwreckable' smartphone if you're locked to a featureset from the 1990s?  And crappy apps?

I'll put the speed of my dual-core Atrix up against that Apple any damn day of the week.  I have, on my old iPhone.  I'm pretty sure my phone won't obsolete itself in 12 months.  And I don't have to use that pig, iTunes, to manage music on my phone.

[Hoss]

Unless you hold the steering wheel the wrong way.

Must be talking about the iPhone4 antenna issue.

[Gaspar]

I guess I'm just frustrated with this horrible piece of horse-squeeze that is the HTC Inspire.

I can't imagine using this OS on a tablet though.  I am tethered to my iPad all day long as are most of my co-workers.  I can RDP into any of my clients systems and take care of business with minimal effort.  Used to be able to do this with my iPhone too.  Anytime I try to use my HTC as more than a simple e-mail appliance, I am disappointed.

I'm sure it runs better on a more robust processor.

[Hoss]

I guess I'm just frustrated with this horrible piece of horse-squeeze that is the HTC Inspire.

I can't imagine using this OS on a tablet though.  I am tethered to my iPad all day long as are most of my co-workers.  I can RDP into any of my clients systems and take care of business with minimal effort.  Used to be able to do this with my iPhone too.  Anytime I try to use my HTC as more than a simple e-mail appliance, I am disappointed.

I'm sure it runs better on a more robust processor.

I did a little research and checking around before going out and buying an Android.  That's the one thing iPhones have over Android phones.  Only one hardware piece to have to worry about or review.

I just felt so constrained by the iPhone AND iTunes.  I know you all are sick of me saying it, but iTunes really was the thing that drove me off.  And not even really the issue with the botched iOS updates, but the whole media management thing, and the fact that you are required to convert video files into a certain format and they have to be a certain size in order to work.

Plus, I like custom ringtones.  Apple didn't make creating your own easy.  Android does.  They even have a top-rated app to do it with existing media.  You don't have to import your mp3 into iTunes, convert it, do some other stuff to it, and then worry about the 30 second length restriction.  These are all things I just now thought of.  Plus, I like the fact that Android phones tap directly into your Gmail account contact list.  And stay synced.  Change something on your Android contacts list, and it changes in Gmail.  And vice-versa.

I looked at the Inspire.  My brother had a Samsung Captivate; he gave it to his wife once he got the Atrix (which he recommended to me and I haven't been disappointed).  The Atrix is still one of the top three Android phones as far as power/speed.

I'm done with this thread for now.  I realize that there are many Apple fanboys who are going to bash Google.  I try not to bash Apple because I've used both and they both have pros and cons.

How many Apple fanboys can say that?  Honestly?  I know alot of them and maybe 2 have even tried using an Android phone.  They usually walk away without a word after I show them the features my phone has.

And admittedly, my limitation is with smartphones.  I haven't used any pads and have no need to.  Someone else will need to enter into that debate.

[jne]

Here's Google's way of doing business:

August 17th, 2011: Launch new photo social network called "Photovine"
August 18th, 2011: Release Photovine mobile app, but not for Android.
August 26th, 2011: Shut down new photo social network called "Photovine."


I'm starting to think Google's MO is "throw sh-- at the wall and see if it sticks"
Other recent notable steaming failures:
Google Wave
Google Buzz
Google TV
Google Latitude

Honorable Mentions:
Google Music
Orkut

Experimentation is good - Wave brought us real time collaborative document editing.  I never really checked out buzz, but it probably contributed to some google + development.  I use both latitude and music.  How's mobile me working for you?

I have all non-rooted android devices.  Away we are using a phone as a mobile hotspot and the Asus Transformer to surf on 3g (will be 4g when I upgrade my phone)  AND  I pay no extra for data then if I was just using my phone.  Everything is running beautifully.

I'm no Apple hater, but damn how can anyone deny that this google smile is cool?  Shop for better hardware and you'll probably like Android more.

[custosnox]

Experimentation is good - Wave brought us real time collaborative document editing.  I never really checked out buzz, but it probably contributed to some google + development.  I use both latitude and music.  How's mobile me working for you?

I have all non-rooted android devices.  Away we are using a phone as a mobile hotspot and the Asus Transformer to surf on 3g (will be 4g when I upgrade my phone)  AND  I pay no extra for data then if I was just using my phone.  Everything is running beautifully.

I'm no Apple hater, but damn how can anyone deny that this google smile is cool?  Shop for better hardware and you'll probably like Android more.

I've got to root my android to use it as a hotspot, who are you using?

[jne]

I've got to root my android to use it as a hotspot, who are you using?

Verizon, there is a paid option available, but there are also a few tricks:)  And there is always super simple rooting.

[custosnox]

Verizon, there is a paid option available, but there are also a few tricks:)  And there is always super simple rooting.

Wasn't sure if there was a way around that or not.  Of course, Verizon doesn't like my credit, so couldn't get it there without upfront cash.

[GG]

Slacker!

Here is a recent picture of Steve Jobs.

http://www.tmz.com/2011/08/26/steve-jobs-apple-photo-resignation-ceo-sick