Jobs is out

[Gaspar]

Technically they make 18 different iPads and like 9 or 10 different phones. Just like when the iPod was first released, they only had one model for years and then split the lines out into 3 or 4 models per line with different colors/capacities in each model. Expect the same in the phone and tablet markets, but at present, manufacturing can't keep up with the simplified lineup as it is.

Apple's 2009 model, the iPhone 3GS is currently the #2 selling smartphone on the market. Clearly, it's not hurting them.

The sad thing is that if Apple's technology disappeared today, in 5-10 years Microsoft and Google would catch up to them!

[Conan71]

I personally think that Apples one size fits all attitude towards their product has put them at a disadvantage with other platforms coming out to rival them.  I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop.

People have said that about Apple for 30 years, yet more and more people have flocked to them in the last 5 years. 

[sgrizzle]

Unfortunately, I'm taking this as a sign his health issues may have become terminal.

Although he's got a major cult following, Apple is far bigger than Steve Jobs.

Considering Apple's sales numbers, profits, and incredibly well-received product launches over the last few years there's nothing to worry about and no other shoe to drop.  They've earned a lot of converts to their product line in the last few years.  Without a doubt, Jobs is one of the most amazing (if not THE most) business success stories in global history.  He has contributed product ideas and been an inspiring presence at Apple, but let's face it, he's not the sole reason for the company's success.  There's a very good leadership team which has been carefully groomed and tutored under him.

When I bought my first Apple product two years ago, an iPhone, I didn't buy it because of whether or not Steve Jobs was a the helm.  I also now have a Mac Book and both my kids are on them as well.  Next computer FMC gets will be an Apple product.  Personally, I see a much better product in the integrated hardware and software platforms from Apple and their service is top notch.

I think the corporate culture he leaves behind him will far outlive his time at Apple.  I'm quite well aware Apple went into a funk when he departed the last time, but I believe many lessons have been learned from that and they have incredibly successful platforms to build on.

Keep in mind that Tim Cook has essentially been running things since January, and Jobs will continue as Chairman for the time being. Expect little or no short term changes.



I come from the Unix/Novell world, support Microsquish currently. Never been a huge apple fan since I programmed on the Apple II. I too am a recent convert because all of apple's products are built on a very stable and secure platform. Android is neither, as proven by the recent info from Mcafee showing it as the #1 target for mobile malware with vulnerabilities up 76%. Not to mention the amount of software that is straight stolen from Sun (which I also supported at one time) and the fqct the whole point of Android is to log your activity, collect data, and use it to better serve ads and provide data to marketing firms.

[Hoss]

The sad thing is that if Apple's technology disappeared today, in 5-10 years Microsoft and Google would catch up to them!

too bad their management software doesn't meet the high standard of their hardware.  In a word:  sucks.

[Conan71]

Keep in mind that Tim Cook has essentially been running things since January, and Jobs will continue as Chairman for the time being. Expect little or no short term changes.



I come from the Unix/Novell world, support Microsquish currently. Never been a huge apple fan since I programmed on the Apple II. I too am a recent convert because all of apple's products are built on a very stable and secure platform. Android is neither, as proven by the recent info from Mcafee showing it as the #1 target for mobile malware with vulnerabilities up 76%. Not to mention the amount of software that is straight stolen from Sun (which I also supported at one time) and the fqct the whole point of Android is to log your activity, collect data, and use it to better serve ads and provide data to marketing firms.

I think I've been pretty clear I'm largely ignorant of IT issues.  I just like to open my computer in the morning and shut it down in the evening without hassle.  As far as what goes on inside it during the day, I have no clue.  

Security seems to be a huge issue with other platforms.  I like that I don't have malware or virus issues on the Mac.  Why is it other platforms are so much more vulnerable and don't seem to be gaining on the issue?  I like no longer getting a message I need to update my software for a new security patch for a program which seemed like a regular occurrence when I was on an MS-based system.

[swake]

I was referring more to the Android part of the market.

Google has yet to make a profit on Android.

Android is a freeware buggy slapped together operating system without patent support that phone manufactures like to slap half a$$ed proprietary GUIs and preinstalled bloatware over the top of making the system even more buggy and making upgrades and fixes very difficult to accomplish. This is why Android users lag iPhone users in satisfaction surveys by almost 30 points and why almost half of people with an Android phone plan to buy an iPhone next. Google recently declined to buy a set of patents for $4.5 billion that would have protected Android, likely because they internally already know they have a losing business plan with Android.

Apple grabs 2/3s of all Smart Phone profits world wide, all other makers lost money (Including Moto) or split 1/3. And Google didn't make anything.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-grabs...fits-29168396/

Almost 2/3s of Smart Phone owners plan to buy an iPhone 5, sight unseen. Including almost half of Android users:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2390323,00.asp

Buying Moto's phone business isn't going to fix Android either, they do have some patents, but Moto spun the business off because it's sick and losing money. Google has no experience in the Hardware world, and that would lead most to be very skeptical that Google has any idea of how to fix Moto much less use it to fix Android.

[Gaspar]

Google has yet to make a profit on Android.

Android is a freeware buggy slapped together operating system without patent support that phone manufactures like to slap half a$$ed proprietary GUIs and preinstalled bloatware over the top of making the system even more buggy and making upgrades and fixes very difficult to accomplish. This is why Android users lag iPhone users in satisfaction surveys by almost 30 points and why almost half of people with an Android phone plan to buy an iPhone next. Google recently declined to buy a set of patents for $4.5 billion that would have protected Android, likely because they internally already know they have a losing business plan with Android.

Apple grabs 2/3s of all Smart Phone profits world wide, all other makers lost money (Including Moto) or split 1/3. And Google didn't make anything.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-grabs...fits-29168396/

Almost 2/3s of Smart Phone owners plan to buy an iPhone 5, sight unseen. Including almost half of Android users:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2390323,00.asp

Buying Moto's phone business isn't going to fix Android either, they do have some patents, but Moto spun the business off because it's sick and losing money. Google has no experience in the Hardware world, and that would lead most to be very skeptical that Google has any idea of how to fix Moto much less use it to fix Android.

I switched to Android about 4 months ago when I ran over my iPhone.  The only reason I went Android was to experience it.  I got the HTC Inspire.

It's been 4 months and I intend to camp out at an Apple store and drink my own urine if necessary to get an iPhone 5 the second it is released.  Here are my reasons.

I am a power user, and RDP connections consistantly freeze on all RDP apps on Android.

The scroll is jerky and inaccurate.

Crashes constantly!

You have to download an app so that you can kill some apps.

Sound is better using a Dixie cup and a string!

Speaker function is no more than a joke.

Battery life is bad.  Turn on Bluetooth and it is cut in half. Turn on tethering and it does not exist.

Most apps are crap compared to their Apple counterparts (buggy and slow).


Ok, I've vented now.  It does have a nice flashlight function though, and I will probably keep it in my desk drawer for that.

[Hoss]

Google has yet to make a profit on Android.

Android is a freeware buggy slapped together operating system without patent support that phone manufactures like to slap half a$$ed proprietary GUIs and preinstalled bloatware over the top of making the system even more buggy and making upgrades and fixes very difficult to accomplish. This is why Android users lag iPhone users in satisfaction surveys by almost 30 points and why almost half of people with an Android phone plan to buy an iPhone next. Google recently declined to buy a set of patents for $4.5 billion that would have protected Android, likely because they internally already know they have a losing business plan with Android.

Apple grabs 2/3s of all Smart Phone profits world wide, all other makers lost money (Including Moto) or split 1/3. And Google didn't make anything.

http://www.slashgear.com/apple-grabs...fits-29168396/

Almost 2/3s of Smart Phone owners plan to buy an iPhone 5, sight unseen. Including almost half of Android users:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2390323,00.asp

Buying Moto’s phone business isn’t going to fix Android either, they do have some patents, but Moto spun the business off because it’s sick and losing money. Google has no experience in the Hardware world, and that would lead most to be very skeptical that Google has any idea of how to fix Moto much less use it to fix Android.

Some patents?  How about 17000?

And I'd much rather deal with minimally buggy software so  I can have the freedom to install apps that don't have to go through Apple's 18 month vetting process.   And to not be tied to that pig known as iTunes   

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[Conan71]

Does anyone know of an iP5 release date yet?  I've been holding my breath for a few months.  I bought a 3 right about the time the 3GS came out a couple of years ago.  It's been a great phone, but I've got serious phone envy for my iP4 friends and figured I'd skip a model and go with the 5 when it comes out.

Gaspar, I'll bring plenty of water but you are welcome to drink your own urine if that rocks your boat.

[Hoss]

Does anyone know of an iP5 release date yet?  I've been holding my breath for a few months.  I bought a 3 right about the time the 3GS came out a couple of years ago.  It's been a great phone, but I've got serious phone envy for my iP4 friends and figured I'd skip a model and go with the 5 when it comes out.

Gaspar, I'll bring plenty of water but you are welcome to drink your own urine if that rocks your boat.

Last I heard was October, but Sprint now has gotten into the game evidently.  So Sprint, AT&T and Verizon will have it.

Granted that was what I heard...

And I don't dispute the iPhone is a great phone.  I owned one for over a year.  Hell, I still have the phone (it's now essentially my iPod LOL).  iTunes was the kicker though.  After the updates borked my phone twice, and it's very unintuitive interface for managing music, I decided to go with something that actually acted more like an external hard drive or flash drive.  And for me, that was an Android phone.  Plus, this phone actually allows me to put extra storage on it.  AND, if the battery goes bad, I can actually change it and not have to take it somewhere or buy a new phone.

I was the same as most Apple fanboys; I thought Android was buggy and too new.  And in the beginning, it was.  But I'm not a fanboy of either.  I just know that the Android allows me to do things with this phone that Apple would never think of allowing it's users to do.  And that's do deep customization.  Apple's phones are for the non-technical non-tinkerer.  I'm a tinkerer by nature.  Sure, you can say the tinkerer can tinker with the iPhone by jailbreaking it.  But that very term intones that you have to do something nefarious to tinker.  Android for the most part allows you to do that. 

[Gaspar]

Last I heard was October, but Sprint now has gotten into the game evidently.  So Sprint, AT&T and Verizon will have it.

Granted that was what I heard...

That is correct.

[sgrizzle]

Some patents?  How about 17000?

And I'd much rather deal with minimally buggy software so  I can have the freedom to install apps that don't have to go through Apple's 18 month vetting process.   And to not be tied to that pig known as iTunes   

Sent proudly from my AT&T Atrix4G with Tapatalk

Most apps are approved in a couple of days (somewhere around 98-99% are approved) and that process has blocked the malware from Apple devices, unlike some Android devices which now prompt to set up Mcafee before you even give it your google login info.

[Hoss]

Most apps are approved in a couple of days (somewhere around 98-99% are approved) and that process has blocked the malware from Apple devices, unlike some Android devices which now prompt to set up Mcafee before you even give it your google login info.

Fanboy.



Like I said, I liked my iPhone.  Don't like iTunes.  Enough so that I dropped the iPhone.

And just like ANY techie, you decide what you install on your machine.  I've not had any problems.  The majority of the people I know that have Android phones don't have problems.

[swake]

Fanboy.



Like I said, I liked my iPhone.  Don't like iTunes.  Enough so that I dropped the iPhone.

And just like ANY techie, you decide what you install on your machine.  I've not had any problems.  The majority of the people I know that have Android phones don't have problems.

iTunes has always worked really well for me. But there's also Winamp if you don't want to use iTunes. iPhones are completely customizable if you Jailbreak it. It's very easy to do.

The majority of people I know with Android phones do have problems, especially with music oddly.

[Conan71]

Apple's phones are for the non-technical non-tinkerer. 

And that describes me to a "T".

I just realized, out of 70 or so apps I've got on my iPhone, I hardly use any of them.  I rarely use the iPod function since I finally found my Nano again a month or so back.  I use Google Maps, Weather Channel, internet browser, the camera, stock ticker, and calendar functions, but rarely anything else.  Time to pare them down a little