Making the Case for Medical Marijuana

[patric]

the accident rate has not been linked to pot use since metabolites of pot stay in the system for weeks, though the user is not "under the influence" after several hours.

...but you are trying to make that point with someone who believes they are trying to legalize DUI.

[heironymouspasparagus]

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140515173507.htm

Really??  Total-and-complete-lack-of-ScienceDaily...

[heironymouspasparagus]

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_25770838/more-colorado-drivers-fatal-crashes-postive-pot-study   >>> This is not rocket science if you take any substance that alters your brain & thinking patterns and drive a car under that substance it's not going to make ya a safer driver. With more people using pot and driving guess what?

Irrelevant.  Since the other 49 don't test for mj impairment at the time of an accident, even 1 would mean an increase.  Get some really numbers....

[sauerkraut]

...but you are trying to make that point with someone who believes they are trying to legalize DUI.

No, it's the result of what will happen if MJ is made legal. We will not only have MJ users on our highways but also all the illegal drugs on top of that plus alcohol. Making MJ legal will increase the number of people who use it and make our roadways more dangerous. Car insureance rates would likely climb too.

[heironymouspasparagus]

No, it's the result of what will happen if MJ is made legal. We will not only have MJ users on our highways but also all the illegal drugs on top of that plus alcohol. Making MJ legal will increase the number of people who use it and make our roadways more dangerous. Car insureance rates would likely climb too.

And once again your "Failin' Stupid Carp" comes through - wouldn't it be refreshing if just once, you would do a little bit of investigation and find out the reality before spewing...??    Just ONCE!!  Is that too much to ask??

Usage rates have been shown for many years to NOT go up when decriminalized/legalized.  Either in this country or internationally.  It's a non-event.  Nothing changes.  (Using short sentences and simple words so you at least have a chance of understanding...)


http://norml.org/aboutmarijuana/item/marijuana-decriminalization-its-impact-on-use-2

[RecycleMichael]

Usage rates have been shown for many years to NOT go up when decriminalized/legalized.  Either in this country or internationally.  It's a non-event.  Nothing changes. 

I don't believe that. While the number of heavy users may not change, I would bet that more people would try it at least one time if it were legal. I have no basis for this other than a friend in Colorado who is my age and tried a marijuana cookie for the first time. She said her friend threw a party and most of the girls said they had never tried it before.

[sauerkraut]

And once again your "Failin' Stupid Carp" comes through - wouldn't it be refreshing if just once, you would do a little bit of investigation and find out the reality before spewing...??    Just ONCE!!  Is that too much to ask??

Usage rates have been shown for many years to NOT go up when decriminalized/legalized.  Either in this country or internationally.  It's a non-event.  Nothing changes.  (Using short sentences and simple words so you at least have a chance of understanding...)


http://norml.org/aboutmarijuana/item/marijuana-decriminalization-its-impact-on-use-2

Sure, Look at who put out that link- it's done by a pro-MJ group. The link also uses the words "no substantial increase" so even they admit there will be some increase in MJ use but it won't be substantial, and what they define as being "substantial" is anybodys guess. When alcohol became legal again  in the 1930's there was an increase in it's use, even though people used alcohol while it was illegal, it stands to reason MJ would be the same way. None the less your going to have people driving cars with altered brains from MJ use or driving a fork lift at work  mellowed out from MJ - thinking he's  even a better  fork lift driver because he's so mellow.  MJ's only real use is to alter your brain, that's the only reason people use it. If MJ had no effect no one would use it. You need to post links that are non-bias that tells it like it is.

[sauerkraut]

I don't believe that. While the number of heavy users may not change, I would bet that more people would try it at least one time if it were legal. I have no basis for this other than a friend in Colorado who is my age and tried a marijuana cookie for the first time. She said her friend threw a party and most of the girls said they had never tried it before.

Yep and there is likely more of that going on behind the scenes that never gets reported.  Nope- I don't favor legal MJ in Oklahoma.

[Hoss]

Sure, Look at who put out that link- it's done by a pro-MJ group. The link also uses the words "no substantial increase" so even they admit there will be some increase in MJ use but it won't be substantial, and what they define as being "substantial" is anybodys guess. When alcohol became legal again  in the 1930's there was an increase in it's use, even though people used alcohol while it was illegal, it stands to reason MJ would be the same way. None the less your going to have people driving cars with altered brains from MJ use or driving a fork lift at work  mellowed out from MJ - thinking he's  even a better  fork lift driver because he's so mellow.  MJ's only real use is to alter your brain, that's the only reason people use it. If MJ had no effect no one would use it.

You do realize that you could replace every instance of MJ in your sentence with 'alcohol', right?  Except that MJ is actually a plant that is grown in the ground.  Naturally.  Without distillation.  Also, I've not heard of one instance of someone dying of 'MJ poisoning'.

[sauerkraut]

You do realize that you could replace every instance of MJ in your sentence with 'alcohol', right?  Except that MJ is actually a plant that is grown in the ground.  Naturally.  Without distillation.

Well with legal MJ you'll have both  kinds of drivers on the road,  (MJ and drivers and  alcohol drivers) one substance won't be replacing the other- so we'll have drivers that use two different substances while driving or on the job. There is a difference too MJ stays in your system up to 4-5 weeks alcohol does not. The effect MJ has on the body when it's still in your system for 4-5 weeks is not fully known, but I doubt it's anything that's good.

[Hoss]

Well with legal MJ you'll have both  kinds of drivers on the road,  (MJ and drivers and  alcohol drivers) one substance won't be replacing the other- so we'll have drivers that use two different substances while driving or on the job. There is a difference too MJ stays in your system up to 4-5 weeks alcohol does not. The effect MJ has on the body when it's still in your system for 4-5 weeks is not fully known, but I doubt it's anything that's good.

So you're saying you haven't done any research.  Wow, color me surprised.

[Conan71]

Well with legal MJ you'll have both  kinds of drivers on the road,  (MJ and drivers and  alcohol drivers) one substance won't be replacing the other- so we'll have drivers that use two different substances while driving or on the job. There is a difference too MJ stays in your system up to 4-5 weeks alcohol does not. The effect MJ has on the body when it's still in your system for 4-5 weeks is not fully known, but I doubt it's anything that's good.

Driving under the influence would still be just as illegal as it is now.  Why would there be an uptick just by making it legal?  I look at it this way: if MJ were legal, perhaps people who have been abusing prescription pain killers might turn to MJ instead.  Prescription painkillers are perfectly legal but very lethal in the wrong hands.

[heironymouspasparagus]

Sure, Look at who put out that link- it's done by a pro-MJ group. The link also uses the words "no substantial increase" so even they admit there will be some increase in MJ use but it won't be substantial, and what they define as being "substantial" is anybodys guess. When alcohol became legal again  in the 1930's there was an increase in it's use, even though people used alcohol while it was illegal, it stands to reason MJ would be the same way. None the less your going to have people driving cars with altered brains from MJ use or driving a fork lift at work  mellowed out from MJ - thinking he's  even a better  fork lift driver because he's so mellow.  MJ's only real use is to alter your brain, that's the only reason people use it. If MJ had no effect no one would use it.

Quoting people like;

National Academy of Science
Contemporary Drug Problems  (yeah, I know - says Federal on it so kiss of death to you...reality for everyone else.)
Bureau of Tobacco Control and Biometrics, Health and Welfare  (blame Canada!!)
California State Office of Narcotics and Drug Abuse
British Journal of Psychiatry
Netherlands Ministry of Health, Welfare and Sport  (where freedom and liberty actually began...)
Australian Journal of Public Health

If you are concerned about the definition of the word 'substantial', then look it up.  And read some of those papers to see what THEY define as 'substantial'.

As for alcohol, the usage dropped according to 'studies' (referenced here if you really want to know what you are talking about...so, I bet you won't look at any of them), mostly due to lower cirrhosis rates by about 10 - 20%.  One was confused....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcohol_during_and_after_prohibition


But YOU know better than all those high-falutin' intellectuals, don't ya...?


For the VAST majority - beyond any "first time" novelty use, alcohol AND marijuana - of people who use are gonna keep using.  And the ones that don't, won't.

[heironymouspasparagus]

If MJ had no effect no one would use it. You need to post links that are non-bias that tells it like it is.

Again, READ!!  Or are you a high school graduate??


Sounds like there may be some alcohol use in play even as we speak....

[heironymouspasparagus]

Well with legal MJ you'll have both  kinds of drivers on the road,  (MJ and drivers and  alcohol drivers) one substance won't be replacing the other- so we'll have drivers that use two different substances while driving or on the job. There is a difference too MJ stays in your system up to 4-5 weeks alcohol does not. The effect MJ has on the body when it's still in your system for 4-5 weeks is not fully known, but I doubt it's anything that's good.

And having done NO research, study or even thought hard about the subject, how could YOU possibly know?