Almost One Year Ago Today

[Townsend]

I thought volunteer firefighters were like. . . volunteers?

Re-read and come back.

[AquaMan]

What?  Rick Perry lit volunteers on fire and shoved them out of his publically funded helicopter thus starting wildfires?

Only the black ones is what I heard.

[Cats Cats Cats]

People are morons

[AquaMan]

People are morons

In general? Or just around here?

Its easy to see a group of people banded together for a cause and see them as morons or cultists etc. I often fall into that trap but I work hard to remember that every one of them is a real human being with a mother, a father, a wife, a child or a pet. It keeps me from going postal on the world.

[Conan71]

I thought volunteer firefighters were like. . . volunteers?

Sssshhhh!

[Cats Cats Cats]

What do you think a volunteer fire department needs besides people?  You guys think they have fire hydrants out in fields I guess.

[Gaspar]

Damn!  I thought I was being funny.

[Gaspar]

What would happen if President Obama's Jobs Initiative included $187 billion in new tax cuts to the wealthy?

How would his base react after years of demanding that tax cuts don't create jobs?

Why on earth would he propose any tax cuts?  Isn't that just throwing money out the window?

They are really gearing up for this thing.  All of a sudden, no mater where you look Democrats are suddenly touting the value of tax cuts.  Yesterday my absolute favorite Democrat, Debbie Wasserman-Shultz danced across the networks talking about how the tax cuts (not the spending) in President Obama's first stimulus saved the universe.

50% of it was tax breaks to small businesses and to the middle class. So every economist you would talk to that is worth their salt acknowledges that without the Recovery Act we would not be continuing on the upswing. We would still be either stuck or spiraling downward.

[Conan71]

They are really gearing up for this thing.  All of a sudden, no mater where you look Democrats are suddenly touting the value of tax cuts.  Yesterday my absolute favorite Democrat, Debbie Wasserman-Shultz danced across the networks talking about how the tax cuts (not the spending) in President Obama's first stimulus saved the universe.

50% of it was tax breaks to small businesses and to the middle class. So every economist you would talk to that is worth their salt acknowledges that without the Recovery Act we would not be continuing on the upswing. We would still be either stuck or spiraling downward.

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[AquaMan]

You spinner you. The difference is that Democrats have not favored continued tax cuts for those at the top. They just haven't worked that well if at all. Especially combined with increases in spending due to wars. Suddenly? Tax cuts for middle class and small businesses have always been part of political promises on both sides. Promised, but rarely effected.

Of course now that the middle class is dang near dissipated into upper lower class status...who cares?

[Gaspar]

You spinner you. The difference is that Democrats have not favored continued tax cuts for those at the top. They just haven't worked that well if at all. Especially combined with increases in spending due to wars. Suddenly? Tax cuts for middle class and small businesses have always been part of political promises on both sides. Promised, but rarely effected.

Of course now that the middle class is dang near dissipated into upper lower class status...who cares?

Yeah, but they're talking about tax cuts for small businesses, not the middle class.

[Gaspar]

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If she were any more perfect for that position she would have to be watered twice a week.

[AquaMan]

Yeah, but they're talking about tax cuts for small businesses, not the middle class.

Didn't you post that she said this? 50% of it was tax breaks to small businesses and to the middle class. So every economist you would talk to that is worth their salt acknowledges that without the Recovery Act we would not be continuing on the upswing. We would still be either stuck or spiraling downward.

I haven't heard his speech yet so I don't know if it specifically excludes middle class, but I would caution that the definition of small business owners would probably include that middle class. Defining exactly what is middle class or rich is always a hornets nest.

[Gaspar]

Defining exactly what is middle class or rich is always a hornets nest.

Best thing you have ever said.

Taxing the poor or the middle class is actually a tax, because they don't have the ability to pass that expense on to anyone.  Taxing the small business owner or the wealthy becomes a tax on the poor and the middle class because they are the ones consuming the majority of goods and services and occupying the majority of elastic workforce positions.

Long and the short of it, taxation is not stimulative.

[nathanm]

Nope, just wanted to give an example of the "business owners" they scouted out for the article.

It seemed more like you wanted to imply that people who aren't concerned with regulation or taxes are sleazebags.