Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

[heironymouspasparagus]

Hate to dredge this subject up again, but we need justice for Cecily apparently.

http://justiceforcecily.com/

This was trending on twitter last night, with people apparently heading over to Zucotti Park.

You gonna volunteer to help her?

[patric]

In case you are not up to speed; the analysis:

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/r5m7jo/and-justice-for-some

[patric]

Nearly three years later, New York City taxpayers are still paying for the NYPD's approach to policing lawful protest. Today, lawyers announced the largest settlement with New York City yet, with the city paying out $583,024 to 14 protesters who were arrested for disorderly conduct on January 1st of 2012.

Sources familiar with today's settlement said that that the case was ready to go to trial before Judge Shira Scheindlin until a few months ago, when, while being deposed for the trial, a senior NYPD official who was present during the arrests was unable to point out in videos of the event a single moment when any of the defendants committed any act of disorderly conduct.
http://gothamist.com/2014/06/10/city_agrees_to_largest_occupy_settl.php



The City of New York has agreed to pay nearly $600,000 to resolve a lawsuit accusing police officers of falsely arresting Occupy Wall Street participants who were walking on a sidewalk in the East Village on New Year's Day 2012.

The complaint filed by the plaintiffs stated that the officers surrounded the group and ordered them to disperse despite not allowing them to do so. They were then arrested and charged with disorderly conduct, the complaint said, adding that the Manhattan district attorney's office had declined to prosecute those cases.
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/11/nyregion/new-york-settles-suit-over-arrests-of-occupy-wall-street-protesters.html

[guido911]

Saw a "tea party" candidate just ousted a sitting House Majority Leader in a primary. How did the Pee Party Candidates do this election cycle?

[Gaspar]

Saw a "tea party" candidate just ousted a sitting House Majority Leader in a primary. How did the Pee Party Candidates do this election cycle?

Curious as to why Occupy has not fielded a candidate or even opted to openly engage in the political process?  
They have some excellent press and imagery to promote their vision.  The only way they can hope to institute the change they desire is through the democratic process, or through revolution and adoption of a non-democratic process.  How will we ever know what they desire unless they present it and work towards it?  Protest for protest sake accomplishes nothing.  There must be action beyond simply "building awareness."


We even have some local organizers that I think would be interesting as candidates.
https://www.facebook.com/Wulfric82?fref=ts

They have revived some wonderful historic imagery from previous social struggles, so a graphic standard already exists for any campaign that may arise.



The Tea Party's radical free-market ideas need to be countered in some way, and I think "The Occupy Party" would be an excellent option.  They would also have a distinct advantage over the Tea Party in international support. Free-market ideals are not popular with most of the world because they take power away from governments, but there are several powerful international organizations devoted to the same views as Occupy, many of which have already aided the movement.




If Occupy wants change, they should work for it.  Bring some candidates into the fold.  After all, they are 99% against only 1%.  It would seem the democratic process would work in their favor.

[guido911]

^^^
ah, memory lane. Saw the same behavior at the Brat victory party.

[RecycleMichael]

Curious as to why Occupy has not fielded a candidate or even opted to openly engage in the political process?  

You really can't be that dense.

Pushing an agenda and getting people elected are two different things. For one, electing people costs more money. Your response might have as well been, "there are more poor people than rich people so poor people should always be elected."

There are more people in America under the age of 35 than over. Young people should win all elections. Americans drink more soda than milk so we should offer soda in school cafeterias. There are 95 million cats in the US and only 83 million dogs. Why doesn't government make cat parks?

Or maybe you are that dense.

[Conan71]

Damn it! My cats want a cat park! Will Anna advocate for them if she wins?

[Gaspar]

You really can't be that dense.

Pushing an agenda and getting people elected are two different things. For one, electing people costs more money. Your response might have as well been, "there are more poor people than rich people so poor people should always be elected."

There are more people in America under the age of 35 than over. Young people should win all elections. Americans drink more soda than milk so we should offer soda in school cafeterias. There are 95 million cats in the US and only 83 million dogs. Why doesn't government make cat parks?

Or maybe you are that dense.

One of the most powerful members of congress was just defeated by a nobody with 1/10 his campaign budget.  He had the right message though.

I can't stand people believe that things are "impossible" because they are hard.

I am dense.  Uranium dense. 

[guido911]

One of the most powerful members of congress was just defeated by a nobody with 1/10 his campaign budget.  He had the right message though.

RM leading with his chin again. Then, throw in some irrelevancies and straw men and you got the substance of the pro pee party message.

[RecycleMichael]

B.S.

You are comparing David Brat to the Occupy Wall Street activists. Really?

David Brat is a PhD economist. He teaches economics but has worked as a financial consultant to clients including the World Bank. My favorite quote of his was him saying he wasn't worried about Climate Change because "rich countries solve their problems."

Comparing him to the Occupy protesters is one of the stupidest things you have said.

[guido911]

B.S.

You are comparing David Brat to the Occupy Wall Street activists. Really?

David Brat is a PhD economist. He teaches economics but has worked as a financial consultant to clients including the World Bank. My favorite quote of his was him saying he wasn't worried about Climate Change because "rich countries solve their problems."

Comparing him to the Occupy protesters is one of the stupidest things you have said.

Is this the message coming to district 7?

[Gaspar]

RM leading with his chin again. Then, throw in some irrelevancies and straw men and you got the substance of the pro pee party message.

I think that's what upset me the most about the Occupy movement.  They automatically resign themselves to the belief that nothing can be done, and demand that something be done, but they have no intension of doing anything.

The world won't give them a job, or the world won't give them an education, or the world won't pay their rent, or the world has rich people who eat fancy food and drive Mercedes cars and they don't get fancy food and Mercedes cars.

It's so sad.  I just think if they took a little initiative, and tried to participate in the very process they believe is holding them down, they could illicit more of the change they desire.  The problem is, the very issues that arrest their development are the same issues that prevent them from taking initiative.


Unfortunately this keeps them lost, and willing slaves to any socialist organization that promotes solidarity through some communal structure.  The struggle towards Utopia always begins with the surrender of individual responsibility.

[RecycleMichael]

Is this the message coming to district 7?

Please don't make this personal. Show some class.

[guido911]

Please don't make this personal. Show some class.

My bad. Just thought that since you started a thread about the TW endorsement that was the go-ahead to tease the both of ya. Plus, her signs are up all over the place near where I live.