Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

Started by Gaspar, October 03, 2011, 09:20:46 AM

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RecycleMichael

Quote from: Gaspar on October 14, 2011, 12:02:44 PM
If the protesters had one lick of sense they would be marching on congress, the White House, and the various regulatory entities that represent the reasons that our economy fails to recover.  Then, perhaps even folks like me could support them.

so simplistic...congress and the White House are not the only reason the economy fails to recover. Have you ever considered other parts of the world and their economies could contribute to the problem?

Power is nothing till you use it.

Townsend

Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 14, 2011, 12:08:33 PM
so simplistic...congress and the White House are not the only reason the economy fails to recover. Have you ever considered other parts of the world and their economies could contribute to the problem?


Easy RM.  If he can't defend himself he'll call you a troll.

Gaspar

Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 14, 2011, 12:08:33 PM
so simplistic...congress and the White House are not the only reason the economy fails to recover. Have you ever considered other parts of the world and their economies could contribute to the problem?



Actually you are correct, but what they are protesting is domestic, and they have simply opted to adopt an easy target, because class-war is a simplistic concept for many of these minds to embrace.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

RecycleMichael

Don't you consider arguments to make the lower income brackets pay more in taxes also class warfare?

Power is nothing till you use it.

Gaspar

Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 14, 2011, 12:19:12 PM
Don't you consider arguments to make the lower income brackets pay more in taxes also class warfare?


We just want them to pay their "fair share."   Just kidding!  I'd like to see everyone pay less, but if you pay nothing, then you have no room to complain.

I would almost guarantee you that most of the participants in this movement are among those who pay nothing.  They take to the streets demanding that others pay, yet they have no skin in the game.  Why?  Because they desperately need someone outside of themselves to blame for their misfortune.

I'll say it again, we have done them a disservice as a society by allowing these people, many of which are highly educated, to invest and pursue dreams not based in reality.  Behind each of them is a trail of life decisions, mentors, and advisers that led them to believe that they could make life choices that would make them dependent but happy.  At the heart, you find a socialist rhythm.  

They are demanding gentle masters, not independence.



When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Cats Cats Cats

Quote from: Conan71 on October 14, 2011, 11:29:06 AM
I'm not making any argument for them to pay taxes if that's what you are implying.  I'm simply piercing the misconception that the wealthy 1% are paying a much lower federal tax rate than us middle class working stiffs with standard deductions, child care credits, tuition credits, IRA contributions, and all the other credits and ways to defer income they threw at us the last few years.  

Its the people making about $125k a year that are paying the most taxes until you hit your income double or quadruples and you have more in the highest bracket.


dbacks fan

Quote from: Gaspar on October 14, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
We just want them to pay their "fair share."   Just kidding!  I'd like to see everyone pay less, but if you pay nothing, then you have no room to complain.

I would almost guarantee you that most of the participants in this movement are among those who pay nothing.  They take to the streets demanding that others pay, yet they have no skin in the game.  Why?  Because they desperately need someone outside of themselves to blame for their misfortune.

I'll say it again, we have done them a disservice as a society by allowing these people, many of which are highly educated, to invest and pursue dreams not based in reality.  Behind each of them is a trail of life decisions, mentors, and advisers that led them to believe that they could make life choices that would make them dependent but happy.  At the heart, you find a socialist rhythm.  

They are demanding gentle masters, not independence.




A college professor that supports socialism, god help us all. ::)

Gaspar

Quote from: we vs us on October 14, 2011, 10:20:35 AM
Believe it or not, I can still tell my radicals from my centrists, regardless of my politics.  Deutsch is pretty much a centrist.

Sounds like a Deutsch-bag to me!
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/people/features/n_8669/
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Gaspar

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.




dbacks fan

His name is Edward T. Hall III.

QuoteI first met Edward T. Hall III last October at TEDxGotham, one of those independent TED offshoots that spring up around the world. A friend had invited me to attend her presentation on social robotics. Edward—Ted to his friends—distinguished himself from the rest of the speakers by reading a poem on the steps of Cooper Union after the event.

As the poem concluded, he wept openly, tears streaking his cheeks between long locks of hair. There's a special kind of person who can authentically cry in public, bridging the gap between goony political hack and genuinely heartfelt devotee. Later, I discovered that Ted was the grandson of world-renowned anthropologist Edward T. Hall, Jr. whose obituary reads more like an astronaut's.

http://www.theawl.com/2011/02/an-qa-with-ted-hall-the-jfk-baggage-carousel-jumper