Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

Started by Gaspar, October 03, 2011, 09:20:46 AM

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Gaspar

The Occupy Wall Street rallies are becoming more like the Jugendbund rallies of the 1920's in Germany. Mindless call and response and minorities becoming fearful. We are watching the birth of a new dangerous form of Marxism.

When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Hoss

Quote from: Gaspar on October 10, 2011, 07:40:37 AM
The Occupy Wall Street rallies are becoming more like the Jugendbund rallies of the 1920's in Germany. Mindless call and response and minorities becoming fearful. We are watching the birth of a new dangerous form of Marxism.



Wow, have you been hanging out with the 'kraut?

we vs us

You've got a pretty shaky grasp of your mid-century authoritarian regimes. 

Teatownclown

Gassie, please explain the differences in 1920's Germany to today's United States. I need a paralleled comparison to understand where you are coming from. Otherwise, you need to get a Dumb Okie Tulsan badge from the mayor.

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: Gaspar on October 10, 2011, 07:40:37 AM
The Occupy Wall Street rallies are becoming more like the Jugendbund rallies of the 1920's in Germany. Mindless call and response and minorities becoming fearful. We are watching the birth of a new dangerous form of Marxism.



You must be kidding.  It would be much more appropriate to make that comparison to the Teabaggers.  But that isn't very close either.

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

RecycleMichael

I consider the Occupy movement and the Tea Party movement very interesting for their simplistic methods of communication and sophisticated method of organization.

Both groups have become forces in politics very quickly. They each have logical arguments but can't completely resonate because they are so attractive to the extremist edge of political thought. The far left and far right just overwhelm the center and the mainstream media believes it is their job to show us the fringe.

It is hard to bake a cake if the outer edges get all the heat.
Power is nothing till you use it.

heironymouspasparagus

Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 10, 2011, 11:47:18 AM
I consider the Occupy movement and the Tea Party movement very interesting for their simplistic methods of communication and sophisticated method of organization.

Both groups have become forces in politics very quickly. They each have logical arguments but can't completely resonate because they are so attractive to the extremist edge of political thought. The far left and far right just overwhelm the center and the mainstream media believes it is their job to show us the fringe.

It is hard to bake a cake if the outer edges get all the heat.

Yep.  Knee jerk reaction to a knee jerk reaction.

"So he brandished a gun, never shot anyone or anything right?"  --TeeDub, 17 Feb 2018.

I don't share my thoughts because I think it will change the minds of people who think differently.  I share my thoughts to show the people who already think like me that they are not alone.

Gaspar

Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 10, 2011, 11:47:18 AM
I consider the Occupy movement and the Tea Party movement very interesting for their simplistic methods of communication and sophisticated method of organization.

Both groups have become forces in politics very quickly. They each have logical arguments but can't completely resonate because they are so attractive to the extremist edge of political thought. The far left and far right just overwhelm the center and the mainstream media believes it is their job to show us the fringe.

It is hard to bake a cake if the outer edges get all the heat.

I would have to agree with that assessment.  That was basically the gist of this thread.  At the inception of OWS, it began to formulate itself as an opposition force to the Tea Party.  The emotional components of competing ideologies.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Conan71

Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 10, 2011, 11:47:18 AM
I consider the Occupy movement and the Tea Party movement very interesting for their simplistic methods of communication and sophisticated method of organization.

Both groups have become forces in politics very quickly. They each have logical arguments but can't completely resonate because they are so attractive to the extremist edge of political thought. The far left and far right just overwhelm the center and the mainstream media believes it is their job to show us the fringe.

It is hard to bake a cake if the outer edges get all the heat.

Add me to the like list on this post.  Very good analysis.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Townsend

Quote from: Gaspar on October 10, 2011, 12:12:01 PM
At the inception of OWS, it began to formulate itself as an opposition force to the Tea Party. 

Where'd you see that?

patric

Quote from: RecycleMichael on October 10, 2011, 11:47:18 AM
Both groups have become forces in politics very quickly. They each have logical arguments but can't completely resonate because they are so attractive to the extremist edge of political thought. The far left and far right just overwhelm the center and the mainstream media believes it is their job to show us the fringe.

It's interesting, however, to compare the difference in the speeds at which each gained traction.
In the beginning the Tea Party was all about frustration at a black man in the White House, but it gained standing when it got funding and celebrity endorsements.
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Gaspar

Quote from: patric on October 10, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
It's interesting, however, to compare the difference in the speeds at which each gained traction.
In the beginning the Tea Party was all about frustration at a black man in the White House, but it gained standing when it got funding and celebrity endorsements.

Wow!  Now you have to go there.  I don't think race has anything to do with either movement.  I think group representation does.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Teatownclown

Quote from: Gaspar on October 10, 2011, 12:33:53 PM
Wow!  Now you have to go there.  I don't think race has anything to do with either movement.  I think group representation does.

Race may not have anything to do with the Teabag "movement." It has everything to do with the formulation of their attitudes.

Still, it's easy to witness the diversity in the Occupiers mobsters.

carltonplace

Quote from: patric on October 10, 2011, 12:26:29 PM
It's interesting, however, to compare the difference in the speeds at which each gained traction.
In the beginning the Tea Party was all about frustration at a black man in the White House, but it gained standing when it got funding and celebrity endorsements.

And a supreme court decision on campaign financing.

Gaspar

Quote from: Teatownclown on October 10, 2011, 12:49:58 PM
Race may not have anything to do with the Teabag "movement." It has everything to do with the formulation of their attitudes.

Still, it's easy to witness the diversity in the Occupiers mobsters.

I don't see racial bias in either movement.

The Tea Party are emotional conservatives, angry because the resources of working people are being diverted to subsidize _______.  They admire  capitalism as a means to create wealth because it offers opportunity to those willing to take risk.

The Occupiers are emotional liberals, angry because they want more resources diverted to subsidize _______.  They despise capitalism as a means to create wealth because it does not provide security.




 
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.