Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

Started by Gaspar, October 03, 2011, 09:20:46 AM

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dbacks fan

#510
October 25, 2011, 03:28:10 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on October 25, 2011, 02:54:37 PM
10. Automotive Detailer Too capitalist!

I thought that was the guy on the street corner with a wad of newspapers and a bottle of something that looks like window cleaner.

nathanm

#511
October 25, 2011, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: guido911 on October 25, 2011, 02:37:59 PM
What employer allows its employees to be off work this long? And in other news, I read KKK man David Duke is backing OWS. I'm sure that will help a pant load.

Krugman's take on your ridiculous accusations:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/25/say-anything/
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Gaspar

#512
October 25, 2011, 03:36:43 PM
Quote from: nathanm on October 25, 2011, 03:30:13 PM
Krugman's take on your ridiculous accusations:

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/10/25/say-anything/

Sorry, I just saw Krugman and ridiculous and stopped there.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

nathanm

#513
October 25, 2011, 03:43:12 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on October 25, 2011, 03:36:43 PM
Sorry, I just saw Krugman and ridiculous and stopped there.

Yes, be proud of being unwilling to read views which contradict your own. Learning why other people disagree with you is something only fools do.
"Labor is prior to and independent of capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration" --Abraham Lincoln

Conan71

#514
October 25, 2011, 03:48:35 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on October 25, 2011, 03:36:43 PM
Sorry, I just saw Krugman and ridiculous and stopped there.

Yeah, don't be dissin' his Krugs.
"It has been said that politics is the second oldest profession. I have learned that it bears a striking resemblance to the first" -Ronald Reagan

Townsend

#515
October 25, 2011, 03:54:23 PM
Quote from: nathanm on October 25, 2011, 03:43:12 PM
Yes, be proud of being unwilling to read views which contradict your own.

It's how he does things.  You probably shouldn't give him too much credit.

guido911

#516
October 25, 2011, 04:22:50 PM
Quote from: dbacks fan on October 25, 2011, 02:33:30 PM
Not trying to change you statement, using part for a quote.......

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23835520/Occupy%20Wall%20Street%20Poll.docx

According to this poll data almost 2/3 are employed.



Nearly one in three are not paying any incomes taxes (assuming the respondents in that "poll" were truthful--which is partly why I hate polls)? What are they complaining about re: Wall Street. None of their money went to the bailouts.
Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Gaspar

#518
October 25, 2011, 04:30:26 PM
Quote from: nathanm on October 25, 2011, 03:43:12 PM
Yes, be proud of being unwilling to read views which contradict your own. Learning why other people disagree with you is something only fools do.

Here is the problem Nate.  OWS has failed in defining themselves explicitly.  This causes the effort of others to define them.  When those definitions are offensive, more outsiders (i.e. The Krug) expend effort in defense of the movement, and that is met with a never ending flow of people and groups attempting to quantify the goals/demands/grievances of the OWS protesters as a group.  So far, they defy any definition beyond popular opinion.  Popular opinion is cruel to the ambiguous.  So here we are.  

To present an opinion by Krugman is the same as an opinion by Beck or Vice President Biden, or Gandhi.  It is meaningless if the group itself can not present a reasonable definition of their purpose.

Beyond that, as you stated before, history is not kind to people who ignore displays of civil disobedience, and without reasonable demands or goals to be met, there is no direction for this movement to go except violence. That is the fear, and that is what we are headed for.  I cannot see an avenue for escape in this scenario.  This is not a group/movement that will simply wake up one morning and decide to go home.  For the professional agitators/protesters/and minority political parties, this is their best hope for recognition.  As the MSNBC commentator (I forget his name) said, "They need a Kent State moment." Unfortunately, I believe they will push until they get it.

 
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

#520
October 25, 2011, 04:32:57 PM
Did the Tea Party ever explain from what they were taking their country back?

guido911

#521
October 25, 2011, 04:36:53 PM
Where is Rick Monday when we need him?

Someone get Hoss a pacifier.

Gaspar

#522
October 25, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: Townsend on October 25, 2011, 04:32:57 PM
Did the Tea Party ever explain from what they were taking their country back?

20 years of government expansion.

Tea Party was for reduced government spending, opposition to increased taxation , reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit, and adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution.

They were basically like Conservatives gone wild without all of the floppy June Clever boobies.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.

Townsend

#523
October 25, 2011, 04:44:43 PM
Quote from: Gaspar on October 25, 2011, 04:43:18 PM
20 years of government expansion.

Tea Party was for reduced government spending, opposition to increased taxation , reduction of the national debt and federal budget deficit, and adherence to an originalist interpretation of the United States Constitution.

They were basically like Conservatives gone wild without all of the floppy June Clever boobies.

Didn't quite work out the way the electorate had hoped apparently.

Gaspar

#524
October 25, 2011, 04:46:25 PM
In attempting to gain understanding of OWS we get a never ending flow of scenes like this:


And of course all of the wonderful Capitalism Failed signs provided by the Workers World Party.
When attacked by a mob of clowns, always go for the juggler.
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