Is The Occupy Wall Street Movement an Answer to The Tea Party Movement?

[nathanm]

firing at a police officer isn't exactly political violence.

You don't think that if some nutter all gung-ho about OWS (or the Tea Party) decided to shoot a cop that wouldn't be called political violence? It makes as much sense as the Oakland mayor claiming there was a shooting at Occupy Oakland when it was in reality several blocks away and completely unrelated. Guido's list is full of smile like that.

[Conan71]

You don't think that if some nutter all gung-ho about OWS (or the Tea Party) decided to shoot a cop that wouldn't be called political violence? It makes as much sense as the Oakland mayor claiming there was a shooting at Occupy Oakland when it was in reality several blocks away and completely unrelated. Guido's list is full of smile like that.

Depends.  Was said cop banging said Occutard or Tea Bagger's s/o at the time?

[nathanm]

Depends.  Was said cop banging said Occutard or Tea Bagger's s/o at the time?

Going by the standard used in Guido's list? Doesn't matter.

[Teatownclown]

Occutard?...you political partisan hack. Quit with all your shinola. I know you too are a %99er.

[Conan71]

Occutard?...you political partisan hack. Quit with all your shinola. I know you too are a %99er.

Shhhhhhh!

[guido911]

Zuccotti Park Pee Partiers lose right to continue protest. Here's the order.

http://nycourts.gov/press/OWS111511.pdf

[Teatownclown]

Zuccotti Park Pee Partiers lose right to continue protest. Here's the order.

http://nycourts.gov/press/OWS111511.pdf

"The second stage, the one we have entered now, is the unsuccessful attempt by the power elite to quell the unrest and discontent through physical acts of repression." Chris Hedges

[nathanm]

Zuccotti Park Pee Partiers lose right to continue protest. Here's the order.

You might want to re-read that. They can't camp, but they can still protest. (It is public-use space, after all)

I suspect that the restriction will be reversed on appeal if they can successfully argue that the tents are integral to the message of the protest and not mere items of convenience, similar to how sleeping on the steps of Gracie Mansion (or anywhere else on the sidewalk in NYC, at least at night) was ruled protected speech some years back.

Also, petitioner (or her attorney) was stupid: The rules change is required by the City's law to come only after a 50 day waiting period and a public hearing, none of which happened. The rules the court relied on to deny the TRO are therefore invalid. Why the petitioner's counsel didn't mention this in their petition I can't begin to speculate.

Furthermore, isn't the bar to a TRO being granted supposed to be quite high and all the facts in the petition construed in favor of the nonmoving party?

[guido911]

You might want to re-read that. They can't camp, but they can still protest. (It is public-use space, after all)

I suspect that the restriction will be reversed on appeal if they can successfully argue that the tents are integral to the message of the protest and not mere items of convenience, similar to how sleeping on the steps of Gracie Mansion (or anywhere else on the sidewalk in NYC, at least at night) was ruled protected speech some years back.

Also, petitioner (or her attorney) was stupid: The rules change is required by the City's law to come only after a 50 day waiting period and a public hearing, none of which happened. The rules the court relied on to deny the TRO are therefore invalid. Why the petitioner's counsel didn't mention this in their petition I can't begin to speculate.

Furthermore, isn't the bar to a TRO being granted supposed to be quite high and all the facts in the petition construed in favor of the nonmoving party?

Oh, it's a public space NOW. When the Pee Partiers were there, they called that public space their damned home. And, oh, they can still protest all right. Now they will have to compete for space with everyone else now. And if you read the order, it written in such a manner that even if Zuccotti was public property the tents and everything else can be prohibited under the time, place and manner analysis. The days of Pee Party Obamavilles are apparently over.

As for an appeal, you are rolling the dice on a successful appeal based on a federal district court opinion wherein the protesters there were sleeping on sidewalks to protest homelessness? Seriously, the Pee Party is just like that.

[nathanm]

Oh, it's a public space NOW. When the Pee Partiers were there, they called that public space their damned home. And, oh, they can still protest all right. Now they will have to compete for space with everyone else now. And if you read the order, it written in such a manner that even if Zuccotti was public property the tents and everything else can be prohibited under the time, place and manner analysis. The days of Pee Party Obamavilles are apparently over.

As for an appeal, you are rolling the dice on a successful appeal based on a federal district court opinion wherein the protesters there were sleeping on sidewalks to protest homelessness? Seriously, the Pee Party is just like that.

In the past, at least one federal Court of Appeals has ruled that the rules governing a public place can't be changed after the fact when a protest is still in progress, so if the owner hadn't previously barred camping they couldn't impose new restrictions on the protest already in progress. It'll be interesting to see what happens at later hearings.

And as I mentioned before, trying to frame the denial of an emergency TRO as a loss for the OWS protest isn't terribly accurate. You know this already, being an attorney.

[Gaspar]

They are now threatening to "Burn New York to the ground" tomorrow.

CBS New York is reporting that they are planning a big shutdown on Thursday, including subways and other essential businesses.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/16/ows-protesters-calling-for-day-of-action-following-loss-of-camp-in-zuccotti-park/

"On the 17th, we're going to burn New York City to the ground."
"...in a few days you're going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy's."

[Townsend]

They are now threatening to "Burn New York to the ground" tomorrow.

CBS New York is reporting that they are planning a big shutdown on Thursday, including subways and other essential businesses.
http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2011/11/16/ows-protesters-calling-for-day-of-action-following-loss-of-camp-in-zuccotti-park/

"On the 17th, we're going to burn New York City to the ground."
"...in a few days you're going to see what a Molotov cocktail can do to Macy's."

One protester spouts off and it's "they"?  That's equal to saying the Tea Party is going to kill Obama because one of them threatened to do it.

[Gaspar]

One protester spouts off and it's "they"?  That's equal to saying the Tea Party is going to kill Obama because one of them threatened to do it.

But. . .but. . .but it looks like one of the occupiers has already taken a "shot" at that!

[Townsend]

But. . .but. . .but it looks like one of the occupiers has already taken a "shot" at that!

The Bachmann supporter?

[patric]

Not quite sure which category of prejudice Gaspar's posting is supposed to represent with that...
The anti-beard movement?  The youth-jealousy party?